Neumann KH 150 Monitor Review

[sysfc6]

对于大型古典音乐作品的爱好者来说，情况并非如此。例如，我录制的埃尔加的《杰龙提乌斯之梦》在最后部分有风琴踏板，这在家庭音响系统中几乎听不到。
就我个人而言，我宁愿拥有我喜欢的音乐的20Hz到40Hz的第一个音频的良好再现，而不是10kHz到20kHz的最高八度音程，在我这个年龄，我实际上能听到的几乎没有。

音质没什么区别

Playing a 10-inch drum is definitely not the same as playing a 6-inch drum.

 

[feitaishi]

After reading 117 pages stil with doubts about what to get .
I ve got the Neumann 120a version with the 750 sub + Ma1 and I’m very happy with this system , however wanna go one or two steps forward in sound quality. My studio is well threated acousticly and it’s about 12 meters square .
I’m looking to hear more 3d sound where I can hear where to place the instruments, more mids clarity , more reverb and compression clear .
My final 2 speakers are :
Kh 150
310
Seen some folks that have both , which should i choose ?

I listened both in a well treated room side by side. unfortunately more mid clarity on 310 and more 3d imaging on 150.

 

[teashea]

In fact, I think that the 6.5" 150 is definitely not as good as the 10" 750 in terms of volume at 40hz-120hz, and the addition of a subwoofer will make music at 40hz-80hz more subdued and more audible. For example, the 11be and 420 are both 10" boxes their low frequencies and sense of scale in the soundstage must be better than the 6.5" 150 and 8" 310.

That may seem like it would be but it is not. Study the measurements. The KH150 needs no help at 40 Hz. The KH 750 adds nothing above 40 Hz that the KH 150 does not already do. I have them and have listened. But more importantly, this is ASR - as in Science..... Study the measurements.

 

[Waxx]

extra subs will lower the distortion in the bass frequencies, and if there is more than one sub, the room modes will also be less deep (without room correction) so the bass will be more consistant.

With the 120 a sub is needed i think, with the 150 very nearfield (on a desk) it is not, from further it can help, but without sub in a not to big room, the KH150 has enough bass to give decent volume on those frequencies. The 310 is more like the 120, but can play louder and only a bit lower. A sub will help, but for a lot you can get away without.

I think more important in the case of the OP will be room correction. As far as i know the KH120A does not have dsp, while the KH120II has. So a KH120II with a pair of KH750 subs and MA1 room correction could be what the OP want. The DSP with room correction can do a lot to make the sound more neutral, also in the bass frequencies where the KH120A lacks.

 

[thewas]

extra subs will lower the distortion in the bass frequencies, and if there is more than one sub, the room modes will also be less deep (without room correction) so the bass will be more consistant.

Also using subs and highpass-filtering the monitors will reduce the multitone distortion on those which can be audible, especially when they are 2-way systems.

 

[kharan]

Just a slight caveat to the above.

1. KH150 and more so 120ii don't have that much SPL capability in the deep bass region; so dynamics will be potentially reduced in that area, especially once you leave near field. Adding a sub or two helps.

2. More bass sources = less pronounced room nodes is true. But depending on the situation it's not that relevant.
a. You can get a good bass response at the listening position already. It becomes an issue when you have multiple listening positions like in a home theater.
b. I don't think you're getting more bass sources with MA1. With one sub, you are getting one bass source below the crossover point and two above. With two subs, you're getting two sources of bass below and above the crossover point. Regardless, it's two bass sources at most.
c. Unless there's a way to make the speakers and the subwoofers work together in the 40-200Hz range (4 sources) to linearise the bass response over a wide sweet spot like in Dirac ART, I don't think this particular reason is an argument for adding two subs.

 

[boxerfan88]

extra subs will lower the distortion in the bass frequencies, and if there is more than one sub, the room modes will also be less deep (without room correction) so the bass will be more consistant.

Exactly!!

I have the KH310, and a sub is needed for clean bass.

During work hours I use KH310 full range (2.0ch) and play background music not too loud. After work hours I crank it up a little, the low bass sounds boxy at times.

I switch over to 2.1ch and the boxiness goes away. Crank up even more, nice extended bass, no boxiness.

I do have my own in-room measurements that show KH310 distortion <80Hz climbs fast, and correlates with what I hear. Even Neumann data & diagram show it. I also have my in-room 2.1ch measurement showing low bass distortion far lower compared to 2.0ch.

Subwoofer is highly recommended.

 

[sysfc6]

这看起来像是真的，但事实并非如此。研究测量结果。KH150在40赫兹时不需要任何帮助。KH 750没有添加KH 150没有添加的40赫兹以上的内容。我有，也听过。但更重要的是，这是ASR——在科学中.....研究测量结果。

I think the larger speakers just raise the sound pressure level of the low frequency distortion。

 

[sysfc6]

Exactly!!

我有KH310，干净的低音需要一个sub。

在工作时间，我使用KH310全频(2.0声道)播放背景音乐，声音不要太大。下班后，我把音量调大一点，低音听起来有些方方正正。

我切换到2.1声道，这种四四方方的感觉消失了。加大音量，很好的扩展低音，没有方块感。

我确实有自己的室内测量，显示KH310失真< 80Hz攀升很快，与我听到的相关。甚至诺依曼的数据和图表也显示了这一点。

强烈推荐低音炮。

I agree with you, man.

 

[boxerfan88]

I listened both in a well treated room side by side. unfortunately more mid clarity on 310 and more 3d imaging on 150.

Fully agree. I own the KH310. I auditioned the KH150 before buying KH310.

KH150 imaging beats KH310 for sure.

But KH310 midrange is truly exceptional.

I traded imaging for midrange

 

[teashea]

extra subs will lower the distortion in the bass frequencies, and if there is more than one sub, the room modes will also be less deep (without room correction) so the bass will be more consistant.

With the 120 a sub is needed i think, with the 150 very nearfield (on a desk) it is not, from further it can help, but without sub in a not to big room, the KH150 has enough bass to give decent volume on those frequencies. The 310 is more like the 120, but can play louder and only a bit lower. A sub will help, but for a lot you can get away without.

I think more important in the case of the OP will be room correction. As far as i know the KH120A does not have dsp, while the KH120II has. So a KH120II with a pair of KH750 subs and MA1 room correction could be what the OP want. The DSP with room correction can do a lot to make the sound more neutral, also in the bass frequencies where the KH120A lacks.

If one has a KH750, one does not need to have DSP monitors in order to use the MA1.1

The OP has a listening distance at 1 to 1.5 meters. So midfield or farfield would not be an issue.

The distortion level of the KH150 is so low that it is not an issue with nearfield use.

 

[dshreter]

After reading 117 pages stil with doubts about what to get .
I ve got the Neumann 120a version with the 750 sub + Ma1 and I’m very happy with this system , however wanna go one or two steps forward in sound quality. My studio is well threated acousticly and it’s about 12 meters square .
I’m looking to hear more 3d sound where I can hear where to place the instruments, more mids clarity , more reverb and compression clear .
My final 2 speakers are :
Kh 150
310
Seen some folks that have both , which should i choose ?

The answer to this is almost surely in room treatment and speakers/seating layout. KH120 is a fine speaker, I doubt it is the reason for a lacking soundstage.

 

[VTKZ]

After reading 117 pages stil with doubts about what to get .
I ve got the Neumann 120a version with the 750 sub + Ma1 and I’m very happy with this system , however wanna go one or two steps forward in sound quality. My studio is well threated acousticly and it’s about 12 meters square .
I’m looking to hear more 3d sound where I can hear where to place the instruments, more mids clarity , more reverb and compression clear .
My final 2 speakers are :
Kh 150
310
Seen some folks that have both , which should i choose ?

My serious thoughts about it after own experiences to realy get a step forward (when you want to spend some work and time in it):

- Sell the 750s
- Let build 4 or 8 Custom DIY Subs
- Build an Array (Double Bass Array / Pseudo DBA)
- and set or let set everything up via miniDSP or similiar

I had the 750s / MA1 from the beginning and my 60 L Subs are so much better than the 750. More punch & Lowend and i have now 4x for the price of ~ 2x KH750.

Just think about it. Youve less big Cables because you dont need XLR to the subs.

There are also very good pre-made Kits you can buy
(fm-audio.eu for example) already with Scan Speak Drivers and they can also measure and set them up for you.

I also think about to sell maybe the 150s in the next years because they dont have enough SPL. But its hard to find better active speakers with the same acouracy for that price.

Just as idea. With DIY you can get a custom solution wich sounds better when you do it right. And you ve an custom build wich is also a nicer feeling when you plan your own speaker setup and dont just buy off the shelf

 

[sysfc6]

My serious thoughts about it after own experiences to realy get a step forward (when you want to spend some work and time in it):

- Sell the 750s
- Let build 4 or 8 Custom DIY Subs
- Build an Array (Double Bass Array / Pseudo DBA)
- and set or let set everything up via miniDSP or similiar

I had the 750s / MA1 from the beginning and my 60 L Subs are so much better than the 750. More punch & Lowend and i have now 4x for the price of ~ 2x KH750.

想想吧。你有更少的大电缆，因为你不需要XLR的潜艇。

你也可以买到非常好的预制套件
(例如fm-audio.eu)已经安装了扫描扬声器驱动程序，他们还可以为您进行测量和设置。

我也考虑在未来几年出售150，因为他们没有足够的SPL。但是很难找到更好的有源扬声器，同样的精度，同样的价格。

正如想法一样。通过DIY，你可以得到一个定制的解决方案，如果你做对了，听起来会更好。当你计划自己的扬声器设置时，你有一个定制的构建，这也是一个更好的感觉，而不是购买现成的

What subs did you use?

 

[GXAlan]

I’m looking to hear more 3d sound where I can hear where to place the instruments, more mids clarity , more reverb and compression clear .

It is possible that the phase linearity of the newer Neumann’s can add to perceived clarity. There is a lot of early science conducted by Dr Toole, and the main conclusion has always been “all things equal, frequency response and dispersion matter more.” However, it is my personal sighted bias that speakers that seem to resonate well with me in terms of the subjective comments described have phase linearity.

Zero Phase In Studio Monitors

This Voice Coil’s Spotlight, written by Vance Dickason with commentary from Floyd Toole, Wolfgang Klippel, Andrew Jones, and James Croft, focuses on Zero Phase in Studio Monitors. As Dickason explains, "the implication of using FIR filters to zero out the phase of a loudspeaker to improve its...

audioxpress.com

And attached white paper from Meyer Sound looking at a Genelec.

 

[Taker]

I listened both in a well treated room side by side. unfortunately more mid clarity on 310 and more 3d imaging on 150.

Hmm i see, thanks !

 

[sysfc6]

较新的Neumann的相位线性可能会增加感知的清晰度。Toole博士进行了许多早期科学研究，主要结论一直是“在所有条件相同的情况下，频率响应和色散更重要。”然而，这是我个人的偏见，似乎与我产生共鸣的发言者在主观评论描述方面具有相位线性。

[URL unfull = " true "]https://audio xpress . com/article/zero-phase-in-studio-monitors[/URL]

并附上Meyer Sound查看Genelec的白皮书。

Phase linear is the highest level of monitoring, right?

 

[Taker]

The answer to this is almost surely in room treatment and speakers/seating layout. KH120 is a fine speaker, I doubt it is the reason for a lacking soundstage.

My room is very nice now as i did a lot of treatment last year and i really like this kh120 but wanna ear more in the music i do/ produce .
Im trying to figure out if the 120 v2 manny people reply, are a really step up from what i have or if i have to spend a lot more for the 310 ones.

Meanwille a 310 v2 is gonna land late this year or next, who knows.

Im happy with the 120, they translate very well to other systems and im used to them, thats why my search is between Neumann models.

Or, i can keep the system i have now and in the future invest in some PMC or something in that league.

 

[LTig]

It makes no difference in sound quality

Not so sure about this. If the sub plays all content below 80 Hz and the sats play only above 80 Hz the reduction of excursion of the sats woofer reduces IMD in the complete frequency range of the woofer.

 

[Taker]

My serious thoughts about it after own experiences to realy get a step forward (when you want to spend some work and time in it):

- Sell the 750s
- Let build 4 or 8 Custom DIY Subs
- Build an Array (Double Bass Array / Pseudo DBA)
- and set or let set everything up via miniDSP or similiar

I had the 750s / MA1 from the beginning and my 60 L Subs are so much better than the 750. More punch & Lowend and i have now 4x for the price of ~ 2x KH750.

Just think about it. Youve less big Cables because you dont need XLR to the subs.

There are also very good pre-made Kits you can buy
(fm-audio.eu for example) already with Scan Speak Drivers and they can also measure and set them up for you.

I also think about to sell maybe the 150s in the next years because they dont have enough SPL. But its hard to find better active speakers with the same acouracy for that price.

Just as idea. With DIY you can get a custom solution wich sounds better when you do it right. And you ve an custom build wich is also a nicer feeling when you plan your own speaker setup and dont just buy off the shelf

Hmm , thanks but i dont need that much of spl power , thats not what im looking for
Manny thanks for your reply .