I use a Wiim Pro with my KH 120 II monitor speakers at my work desk.Anyone using a wiim pro with the kh 150's ? I'd like to simplify my setup, I'm wondering how well it fits the purpose or feeding the speakers.
I tried the Wiim Ultra, but returned it last week. There was simply way too much lag/delay. The delay adjustment feature didn't work either. I tried optical from my Motu 828 and HDMI from TV and they both had excessive delay. Going optical from TV/coaxial from TV to my TC Electronic BMC-2 has no delay and is pretty much on-par with going analog XLR to the speakers. The control knob also feels better than the Wiim as on the Wiim just the ring rotates which is odd. It also takes a long time to rotate the ring enough to change the volume. The up and down on remote is a bit better but still not as nice as I would have hoped for. The software wasn't that great either as switching inputs and outputs wasn't as easy as it should be. Maybe a firmware update could fix things but not sure? The main downside for the BMC-2 is there's no remote control option. I have tried using an ipad for volume control on 828 and it's okay ... just annoying needing to open up the ipad to change the volume remotely by pulling the fader up or down, but at the same time: probably not any more annoying than the wiim volume control. I did try a RME ADI 2/4 which was okay, but sort of a waste of money for simply using it for a remote volume control for the speakers and the headphone output wasn't really any better than the DX5 for me. The loudness feature didn't really do much for me personally either. I felt the MOTU 828 volume control is nicer anyways if you're just going analog out otherwise. The RME gets really hot too and doesn't measure that much better than the MOTU either.Anyone using a wiim pro with the kh 150's ? I'd like to simplify my setup, I'm wondering how well it fits the purpose or feeding the speakers.
It mainly comes down to how will a speaker sound in the form at which it is sold to a customer. The KH 150 for example provides a response as measured out of the box and therefore that's how thing's are measured as a large majority that's about as far as they will go. You could PEQ a regular passive that's not too flawed to a flat response in some cases, but that's not indicative of the engineering and hard work done before the consumer purchases a product.Yes i agree and understand this . But when we look at rankings, or scores and the ramas, we don't see this reflected and it is somewhat confusing to understand what could be done and what is already implemented in each category.
I guess more units of 120ii have been sold.The kh150 seem to have less issues than the kh120ii.
I wonder why. Have they changed the electronics somewhat.
Is it because they make attempts to output more for its size.
It doesn't, not really - I know two people in my immediate circle with 150s that had the standby bug.The kh150 seem to have less issues than the kh120ii.
I wonder why. Have they changed the electronics somewhat.
Is it because they make attempts to output more for its size.
I have two pairs of KH 150's- xlr inputs - never has happened to me. Same with my two pairs of KH 120 II's.Does the standby bug ( and other issues) only happen when using the digital in.
How about when only using xlr analogue in?
for those who it has happened to.I have two pairs of KH 150's- xlr inputs - never has happened to me. Same with my two pairs of KH 120 II's.
How is this related to electronics though ?I have two pairs of KH 150's- xlr inputs - never has happened to me. Same with my two pairs of KH 120 II's.
There's a New game in town: Fiio SR11I use a Wiim Pro with my KH 120 II monitor speakers at my work desk.
I think the Wiim Pro is the only game in town for an affordable device that does digital output with a volume control (in the digital domain). Beyond that, it's $2,000+ pro audio gear devices. I have looked for an audio interface that could do this, but never found an affordable one. The affordable ones with coax digital output seem to only send digital out at fixed level.
The Wiim Pro works fine enough, although sometimes my left and right channels swap. I am not sure if it's the device or my computer.
I would prefer a device with a volume knob. The touch buttons on the Wiim Pro itself are annoying to use, and you can't just feel for it.
If you plan to connect your computer to the Wiim Pro by Blutooth, note that the Wiim Pro has a huge latency problem if you watch videos. I use wired connection from my computer to the Wiim.
I set a volume limit on the Wiim Pro device, just so I don't accidentally blast a loud digital signal into my speakers. You can adjust the input and output gain down on your Neumanns, so you can make fuller use of your Wiim Pro volume range.
Me personally, Neumann for sure.Dynaudio Core 7 or Neumann kh150? Music listening only
excellent pointsAs far as Dynaudio or Genelec/really any other speakers:
One nice aspect of the Neumann speakers compared to many other speaker companies is that they don't have too many models or update their speakers too often. Yes, constant progress is sometimes good, but not for resale value or just trying to find a cheap pair of used speakers to match your other speakers for surround setups.
For example the KH120A's are 13 years old and you can still calibrate them with a KH750 and they still sell for a decent price. The tweeters are all the same so you can easily mix and match and the only difference for the most part is the low-end. I could have bought a pair back in 2011 (I thought about it back then actually!) and I could still be using them as rear/height speakers and they would still match the KH150's I have instead of going through 25+ pairs of different speakers.
I contemplated picking up Genelecs: but look at their huge list of discontinued models: https://www.genelec.com/previous-models, or just their huge list of current models - their main monitor selection alone is probably more than the entire Neumann speaker selection! Trying to find 4 used reasonably-priced Genelecs that's the same version (A/B/C/D) for height or surround or center speakers is not easy.
Dynaudio has 3 ranges of speakers: Core/Lyd/BM and discontinued versions too. Adam has multiple ranges and versions, though admittedly the original A series were around for a while. KRK and Presonus has had many ranges/versions - and as they are usually cheaper models: their value usually drops quite quickly. Buying the cheapest KH80 or a KH420 will have the same tweeter/overall general sound.
Smaller studio speaker makers can make some nice/highly reviewed state-of-the-art speakers: for example: Equator speakers were quite great: The D5's and Q10's I had were pretty great, but they went out of business. (Equator Q15 15" coaxial monitors would have been quite crazy!) Event Electronics made some nice speakers including the Event Opal: but they were bought by Rode which doesn't even have a speaker division: so you'd think they'd keep making speakers: but they just seemed to shut down Event Electronics and never made speakers!
I think once the KH310 is updated and KH420 is updated to have digital calibration the lineup will be pretty great! Though I would suggest AES67 capability in all models and not two different versions. A revised KH750 + KH870 wouldn't hurt though - aka the KH750 has limitations as it was made as a sub for stereo capabilities - aka hooking up two KH80's, so a version more suited for bass management in an atmos system would be preferable.
As far as Cardioid capabilities like Kii/D&D/Mesonovic CDM65: it's quite unique, but lots of studios just have in-wall mounting of speakers (Aka KH420 in-wall) so cardioid wouldn't work in a soffit anyways. (I will admit one of my favorite speakers I've heard are Mesanovic RTM65's though, but haven't owned them)
Overall, the number of models/how often revisions occur and the simple fact that some smaller manufacturers may go out of business randomly or be bought out and shut down overnight is something to take into consideration if you plan on buying some expensive speakers or investing in a large surround set.
niceMy 150's will soon get bass support (again). Subwoofer Cabinets are fully built, just have to solder the cables.
~60 liter with Scan Speak Chassis.
Power amplifier will be a IMG Stage Line wich is already been purchased. I dont know when the DSP Setup will be done by an Homecinema Guy so i think beginning of 2025 is realistic incl professionall Subwoofer Finish (Paint).
And maybe next Year i let build 4 more to realise an Double Bass Array... i will see how good it sounds when all the DSP Work incl Placement is done.
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