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Thanks, let me read about it. Not sure if it is easy to DIYYou can buy the driver alone and diy it !
Thanks, let me read about it. Not sure if it is easy to DIYYou can buy the driver alone and diy it !
Thanks, let me read about it. Not sure if it is easy to DIY
A sub is a relatively simple diy project, particularly a sealed box.....if you have the tools, time and can live with your own finishing skills They also have a very good 18" driver in the HST-III, and a bit less expensive. You could also check out flatpacks for some of the drivers from diysoundgroup.com or parts-express.com (same guy supplies the flatpacks for both companies) to simplify things a bit. I'd not bother with a plate amp, but use a rack style amp.
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I’m hoping it gets reviewed soon because I’m torn between the 1000pro or a monolith thx which has good ratings too.Has anyone reviewed the new SB or PB 1000 pro yet? I know audioholics had been working on a review. I suspect they will be quite good. Gene even mentioned he thinks they may get the "large" bassaholics rating (in an interview with Erin).
I’m hoping it gets reviewed soon because I’m torn between the 1000pro or a monolith thx which has good ratings too.
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I got tired of manually converting currencies, so I removed my "All currencies converted to USD" column.
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- For European website, it was more challenging, but I think it turned out okay. Let me know if there's any major mistakes there.
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Added 15 more subwoofer models with CEA-2010-A data.
From 2 sources:
1. https://www.soundandvision.com/
Measured by Brent Butterworth, but he didn't include in his main spreadsheet, so I'm including them in 'Others' tab.
There were several other subwoofers that were measured by Brent and presented on SoundAndVision, but I didn't include, since they were duplicates with Brent's spreadsheet.
Also, Sound and Vision no longer provides CEA-2010-A data, but they did, briefly a long time ago.
2. https://hometheaterreview.com/
Different models were measured by different people:
- Brent Butterworth
- Dennis Burger
- Brian Kahn
I have CEA-2010-A data from years 2016, 2018, 2019 and 2021...very inconsistent.
There were several other subwoofers that were measured by Brent and presented on HomeTheaterReview, but I didn't include, since they were duplicates with Brent's spreadsheet.
Saw it. I'm tracking KRK website on daily basis to see when they will release more info.KRK have new subs out this month, link here, I mentioned in another thread that I was perfectly happy with my KRK 10s paired with KRK G4 Rokit 7’s but then again a new sub with an improved port design has me yelling “take my money” ,
I am still perplexed why any of these comparisons including the Klipell system doesn't have a way to measure or rank subwoofer tightness or overhang or transients. I know it's not an exact science but we know enough about it.
I cannot advise you on issues of sound quality but SVS has exceptional customer service and warranty support. Also SVS is located in Youngstown, Ohio, so you might be able to save on shipping. I have heard numerous reports of issues with Monolith support (enough that Monolith was removed from recommended brands on the HT forums on Reddit). SVS has many reports of replacing amps outside the warranty window (search reddit to find some examples).
Also Power Sound Audio is based in Ohio. Also worth looking into and may offer a no shipping discount.
Plenty of sub reviewers check group delay which is the most important sub attribute that contributes to this, as far as I know. Of course, room modes are a much much bigger offender in making bass seem boomy or slow than anything to do with the properties of a sub.
TBH, I am just curious why its not an important aspect of asssesing a sub woofer. Its the first thing I take in consideration when designing a sub woofer, its alignment and how to get decent transients whether its from the cabinet or driver.
I am still perplexed why any of these comparisons including the Klipell system doesn't have a way to measure or rank subwoofer tightness or overhang or transients. I know it's not an exact science but we know enough about it.
Doesn't an impulse response give us an idea of how quick the driver comes to a stop in a given enclosure?
Isn't how accurate each bass note hits without overhang an important aspect of understanding how a subwoofer sounds or at least compares to another sub? Potentially leaving the customer with the choice and with important information.
Yeh, but group delay is an indication not a test directly measuring overhang. My understanding was impulse response measures when a sub woofer stops and that although group delay is an indicator its not the best way to understand about its transients.
I have also had people state that there is no such thing transients and that group delay has nothing to do with it. There must be some science on it and I am sure there is just probably not 100% yet.
TBH, I am just curious why its not an important aspect of asssesing a sub woofer. Its the first thing I take in consideration when designing a sub woofer, its alignment and how to get decent transients whether its from the cabinet or driver.
Well that would explain why it's not important, right? If every professional sub manufacturer is aware that they need to keep these measurements reasonable, and designing subs seems to be quite a lot simpler than designing multi-way speakers, then very few subs are going to have any issues in that area.
In fact that seems to be the case... data-bass.com shows impulse response, waterfall, and group delay for every sub they've measured, and just about every single one I've looked at from a significant manufacturer has no issues. When there is an issue, such as with the Danley DTS-10, it shows up clearly by measuring group delay. That would indicate that any time domain issues likely to be audible will always show up in group delay. So from the consumer perspective(not manufacturer) the other measurements/graphs don't seem to provide much useful information.
and just about every single one I've looked at from a significant manufacturer has no issues.