I measured 10 subwoofers.

[Robbo99999]

Does svs pro model lineup include high pass filter via its smartphone app.
the existing rca outputs on the back seem to say line level, but can it be changed through a setting of some sort.

I have SVS SB1000 Pro and there's a low pass filter at 200Hz that you can turn on and off in the smartphone app, but I couldn't find anything re High Pass for the RCA outs. The smartphone app is really useful as you can save presets, so I have different presets for two different listening positions. You can change all of the following through smartphone app: Volume / Low Pass Filter / Phase / Polarity / Parametric EQ (3 band) / "Room Compensation" - I think that's all from memory if I recall correctly. Owners manual at following link for you for full information:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0921/3560/files/sb-1000pro_manual_web_02262021.pdf?v=1614373844

 

[jtatknox]

Sub experts: which of these subs would be most useful for active room treatment based on the measured parameters?

 

[Willem]

I am not sure what you mean by active room treatment: dsp room equalization? In that case I would prefer to have the dsp in a separate unit, and not in the sub.

 

[Harryharryharry]

I think he means the Dirac Active Room Treatment product that's due to be released. It's a next iteration on DSP room correction.

 

[Paffi]

or simply he wants to build a DBA or multiple subs configuration

 

[jtatknox]

I think he means the Dirac Active Room Treatment product that's due to be released. It's a next iteration on DSP room correction.

Yes, thanks for clarifying.

 

[Fredd3]

I own a B&W DB4S subwoofer and it is nice to see it tested here. But it would be really cool to see the bigger brothers tested since they use dual drivers, that are meant to be force cancelling. Has anyone seen any tests on them?

 

[CapMan]

I have pair of SVS Micro 3000s in my smallish room. They seem fine as I don’t listen at high levels, but now I’ve seen this thread the itch to try 2 SVS 2000 is getting stronger . I love the SVS app and their customer care, so would stick with this brand if I upsized …

Would I notice a difference ….

 

[Willem]

Adding one SB2000 to the existing two small subs probably gives the best results. On the other hand, in a small room it may be overkill.

 

[radix]

I have pair of SVS Micro 3000s in my smallish room. They seem fine as I don’t listen at high levels, but now I’ve seen this thread the itch to try 2 SVS 2000 is getting stronger . I love the SVS app and their customer care, so would stick with this brand if I upsized …

Would I notice a difference ….

I have the SB-2000 and the Micro 3000. The SB-2000 is a different league than the micro 3000. I use 2x SB-2000 now. But in other rooms I have used the micro 3000 as a 2nd sub and it does a very good job filling in the room nulls where needed. As @Willem said, adding the SB-2000 as the main sub and using the micro 3000 to balance it out should give very good results.

 

[shrub0]

Nuyes,
Thank you for providing all this data. I value low IMD and time domain performance so it looks like the Seas DIY sub is the winner.
Also if I am interpreting the data right the Seas could have been driven harder as it never reached failing distortion levels, so in reality it's CEA numbers should be higher.

 

[XDM]

I think that a lot of these subs have the opposite of what you are thinking. A lot of micro subs now will play as low as they dare, even down into the teens hz, but will reduce low frequency output as SPL increases. This way, they are only flat when playing at 75-80 dB. The dynamic DSP knows how much power the amp has and how much excursion the driver has and throttles back the bass accordingly at higher SPLs. DSP makes it so a tiny box can play to sub 20 hz or can play to 100+ dB, but physics dictates both can't happen at the same time.

For a studio monitor sub like he Neumann, the designers would much rather the sub go into protection or distortion rather than exhibiting a non-flat response.

That's exactly what I'm looking for. I listen (music, movies, gaming) in a small room in the nearfield, so at low volume, but I like bass extension. In terms of size constraints I'm looking for 10" drivers or less.
Do you have any examples of such DSP-ed subwoofers except the already mentioned SVS 3000 Micro (and other examples like the KEF KC62) which is unfortunately too expensive for me. Where can I find that a subwoofer has such dynamic DSP?

I've also read about MJ Acoustics doing this, but I cannot find any measurements of those and they're too expensive to just order and try.

 

[Willem]

By now many subwoofers do this, but they do not all have the same set of preferred compromises. Note for example that the Kef KC62 is flatter and extends deeper but at the expense of spl, whereas the published graphs of the SVS 3000 Micro show that it gives up more extension to achieve more spl. Recommending subwoofers without knowing in which country you are is impossoible, given that their prices vary enormously between markets and continents in particular. And please realize that reducing size comes at a price. If you want high maximum spl and deep extension at a low price, you have to accept a rather larger size. If you are in the UK (or the Netherlands) you may want to have a look at the new KEF Kube 10 MIE. It also looks rather elegant.

 

[Viesturs Balodis]

Good stuff! Nice work. Good example what is what, and with this caliber might be better idea to live without sub. inability to play clean below 40hz, group delays, step, distortion levels… etc… ! Thanks for posting!

 

[XDM]

By now many subwoofers do this, but they do not all have the same set of preferred compromises. Note for example that the Kef KC62 is flatter and extends deeper but at the expense of spl, whereas the published graphs of the SVS 3000 Micro show that it gives up more extension to achieve more spl. Recommending subwoofers without knowing in which country you are is impossoible, given that their prices vary enormously between markets and continents in particular. And please realize that reducing size comes at a price. If you want high maximum spl and deep extension at a low price, you have to accept a rather larger size. If you are in the UK (or the Netherlands) you may want to have a look at the new KEF Kube 10 MIE. It also looks rather elegant.

Am in The Netherlands Small room, so I'm not interested in very high maximum SPL.
That KEF Kube 10 MIE looks interesting but I'd have to wait for a sale.

 

[Willem]

Its predecessor was often on sale for quite a bit less, as in fact is the KC62.

 

[Fredd3]

That's exactly what I'm looking for. I listen (music, movies, gaming) in a small room in the nearfield, so at low volume, but I like bass extension. In terms of size constraints I'm looking for 10" drivers or less.
Do you have any examples of such DSP-ed subwoofers except the already mentioned SVS 3000 Micro (and other examples like the KEF KC62) which is unfortunately too expensive for me. Where can I find that a subwoofer has such dynamic DSP?

I've also read about MJ Acoustics doing this, but I cannot find any measurements of those and they're too expensive to just order and try.

Maybe this speedwoofer 10" could be something. https://rslspeakers.com/products/rsl-speedwoofer-10s-mkii

 

[Willem]

Maybe this speedwoofer 10" could be something. https://rslspeakers.com/products/rsl-speedwoofer-10s-mkii

Not in the Netherlands.

 

[XDM]

Maybe this speedwoofer 10" could be something. https://rslspeakers.com/products/rsl-speedwoofer-10s-mkii

Yes it would probably be perfect, nicely customizable too. But with the shipping to the EU and the taxes, it'd be € 630 and not $ 449. Right now I'm thinking of the BK Electronics XLS200-DF MK2's new version: the BK XLS300-DF. https://bkelectronics.co.uk/XLS300-DF/XLS300-DF-Black Seems the only change is the wattage (which is now 300). It's £382.95 (€ 450).

 

[LawrenceL]

Yes it would probably be perfect, nicely customizable too. But with the shipping to the EU and the taxes, it'd be € 630 and not $ 449. Right now I'm thinking of the BK Electronics XLS200-DF MK2's new version: the BK XLS300-DF. https://bkelectronics.co.uk/XLS300-DF/XLS300-DF-Black Seems the only change is the wattage (which is now 300). It's £382.95 (€ 450).

XDM,

I have two SVS subwoofers the SB 3000 and the SBS 1000 pro. It sounds like my space may be very much like your space in that I have a near field configuration. Although I had a little bit of a sticker shock in buying the SBS1000 pro for my office, in a near field configuration with corner loading this subwoofer actually effectively performs above the SB 3000 that is deployed in my living room. Plus the DSP and app configuration of SVS is a great addition and capability.

My concerns about the cost melted away when I got to enjoy the powerfully loaded bass. I offer that as an option for you though it sounds like it might be a little more expensive. Cheers and happy hunting...