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Subwoofer Comparison

Arnandsway

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I see. What's the price difference between the Kube 10B and Svs sb1000 pro? And how much would Kube 10B with mini dsp cost in Europe?
The price difference is practically nothing. I see the Kef is € 589 and the SVS is € 599 (oak version, gloss is € 699). So one would have to buy a miniDSP extra with the Kef. Personally I do everything (playback, EQ etc.) on a HTPC, so I would have no interest in in-built EQ.
 

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Locally (Sweden), the Kube 10B can be had for 7990SEK, the SB-1000 Pro costs 6490SEK. I don't know if the situation here is representative for the rest of EU, but I don't get the value proposition of the Kube.

The 3000 Micro is 9990SEK and the 14490SEK. Again, I don't see why one would opt for the KEF other than perhaps looks.
 

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Monoprice just released 2 new subwoofers that I thought I should mention, seeing how well previous Monoprice subs performed.
- Monoprice Monolith 13" THX Ultra. US$1600. 153lb. Link
- Monoprice Monolith 16" THX Ultra. US$2000. ? lb. Link

I'm looking forward to seeing these reviewed!
The 13” costs more and has more wattage than the 15”?
 

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Man props on you creating this spreadsheet! I started making something similar and then found yours! Simply amazing!

I'm glad someone else other then just me had a hard time calculating the Bassaholic rating.
 

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Man props on you creating this spreadsheet! I started making something similar and then found yours! Simply amazing!

I'm glad someone else other then just me had a hard time calculating the Bassaholic rating.
I'm actually still working on something similar, I wanted to create a list of subwoofers available in Europe because we don't get most of the good cheap stuff (HSU, PSA, etc). It's nowhere near as extensive as sweetchaos' list, that list is amazing.
 

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Monolith 13 THX Ultra
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Very small
 

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^Youthman has always struck me as a very odd name when your channel is all about home theater
 

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I don't know if that excursion sets the record or not but the bounciest looking subs
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i've ever seen are from Sunfire (above) and Polk audio (below)

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I am interested to know if subwoofer performance has improved any over the past decade. Here are SPL and Distortion at MLP from my 15" ACI Maestro subwoofer with Triad 500W rack amp that I bought and have been using for about 15 years. I have upgraded everything else to my endgame speakers except the subwoofer and sub amp. The 86 Hz dip is a room null. Just wondering if I already have end game subwoofer performance, or if any subwoofer on the market today would be audibly better. TIA. EDIT: Added Group Delay graph.
 

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@Jbrunwa I know very little of subwoofer measurements (or measurements in general) but what do you think of the Perlisten D215s?
I dont know, I’m no expert either, i don’t claim my REW measurements to be as rigorous or precise as audioholics. The D215s stays below 10% distortion but my sub appears to also do that, my MLP is about 12 ft from my sub. I attached a Group Delay graph to my OP as the audioholics review said that Group Delay is also important.
 
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Rizzle

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I dont know, I’m no expert either, i don’t claim my REW measurements to be as rigorous or precise as audioholics. The D215s stays below 10% distortion but my sub appears to also do that, my MLP is about 12 ft from my sub. I attached a Group Delay graph to my OP as the audioholics review said that Group Delay is also important.
I didn't interpret it in that way, but from what I read in the review it seemed like a best subwoofer contender. I was just curious into getting another opinion on the measurement data.
 

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I didn't interpret it in that way, but from what I read in the review it seemed like a best subwoofer contender. I was just curious into getting another opinion on the measurement data.
Ok, thanks. I thought that below 10% distortion would be inaudible for most people, that's why I referenced the 10%.
 

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Thanks, added. :)

Sweatchaos, I wanted to bring up the topic of converting the CEA-2010-A @ 1M to 2M. I swear I read somewhere when you move from 1M to 2M you need to subtract 9db but when you move from 2M to 1M to add 6 db. The explanation was odd and I questioned if it was right so I took a known set of measurements from Brent Butterworth's spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KjlXBWMPAHgU_V9DAHSdIZ_ke0MxwH6ekt3vTIlYOJU/edit#gid=0) that Audioholics used in their review of the RSL Speedwoofer 10S (https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/rsl-speedwoofer-10s).

Here are Brent's numbers

1M peak equivalent
  1. 80 hz: 116.5 db
  2. 63 hz: 117.1 db
  3. 50 hz: 115.9 db
  4. 40 hz: 113.0 db
  5. 32 hz: 111.2 db
  6. 25 hz: 107.2 db
  7. 20 hz: 101.5 db



Here are Audioholics numbers (credited to Brent)
RMS SPL in dB @ 2M
  1. 80 hz: 107.5 db
  2. 63 hz: 108.1 db
  3. 50 hz: 106.9 db
  4. 40 hz: 104 db
  5. 32 hz: 102.2 db
  6. 25 hz: 98.2 db
  7. 20 hz: 92.5 db

As you can see, by taking Brent's numbers and substracting 9 db the Audioholics numbers match.

Are the numbers wrong or is this the difference between peak and RMS measurements?

Paul
 
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