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In a few months I will be getting new speakers.... maybe Martin Logan XFT 100 or Bowers & Wilkins 800 D4
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Yamaha AS 3200 does not sound as good as Yamaha r-n2000a
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Martin Logan XT B100 & B10 review and measurements by Erin's Audio Corner
Link to written review will be added here when it is published.
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I’m not even going to comment on the B&W..
Yes, the ratio of speaker : amp price should be somewhat the other way around.
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Ok... here is an update. I got RCA cables. Now, the 2000a is the preamp to 3200. The 3200 sounds 100% better because it is taking in the 2000a sound signature and multiply the power of it.
I have to say.... it is a interesting sound. It sounds really good. The detail is a bit better with the 2 amps together than the 2000a would be alone. I think the sound stage is still a little bit better on the 2000a alone, with them together there is a slight distortion but it may depend on the recording I am listening to. The 3200 gives the 2000a a boost in volume it has needed. The 2000a alone could get the job done at volume 70%, but I felt like I was pushing it. I don't know if it's worth the money involved though to have them together.
Right now I have my 2000a at 60% (-40) volume and the 3200 at about 60%. How should the volumes be set in this kind of set up?
Also, would it be ok (not damage anything) if I used the 2000a sub line out to my sub while I am using the 2000a? I don't really want to use the 3200 preout for the sub because I don't think I have enough cord.
I have to say.... it is a interesting sound. It sounds really good. The detail is a bit better with the 2 amps together than the 2000a would be alone. I think the sound stage is still a little bit better on the 2000a alone, with them together there is a slight distortion but it may depend on the recording I am listening to. The 3200 gives the 2000a a boost in volume it has needed. The 2000a alone could get the job done at volume 70%, but I felt like I was pushing it. I don't know if it's worth the money involved though to have them together.
Right now I have my 2000a at 60% (-40) volume and the 3200 at about 60%. How should the volumes be set in this kind of set up?
Also, would it be ok (not damage anything) if I used the 2000a sub line out to my sub while I am using the 2000a? I don't really want to use the 3200 preout for the sub because I don't think I have enough cord.
What an übercrap idea to connect the 2000 as a preamp to the line in of the 3200. This way, you will hear two preamps in series if the 3200 drives the speakers and just one if 2000 drives. This is not the correct way to compare 2 integrated amps even if level matched. You need to use exactly the same connections for both amps (analog RCA in this case because the 2000 don't have XLR and the 3200 don't have digital input) and proper level matching at the speaker out terminal to compare. So the analog out from the CD player (or any other analog out source) to the line in of the 2000 and the 3200.
Moreover, you need to turn on the Pure Direct on the 2000, because this is a DSP equipped unit and the analog input likely will converted to digital first (then back to analog again) if the Pure Direct is off.
Moreover, you need to turn on the Pure Direct on the 2000, because this is a DSP equipped unit and the analog input likely will converted to digital first (then back to analog again) if the Pure Direct is off.
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Do you expect a significant difference as a result of merely a change of amp? Or the speakers?
I think you need to get your basics in order first before you are throwing money at the problem.
like mentioned already above you are using 2 pre-amps with your A2000 and 3200 Frankenstein-setup that you created.since the receiver has YPAO, did you set that up correctly? how's your speaker placement? are you using absorber panels and stuff ?
But then it can't be level matched because the poweramp gain on the 3200 can't adjustable. My suggestion is connect the source with RCA to the line in of both amps, with Pure Direct on the 2000.
I don’t know if it sounds significantly better than an n803 (which I do own), but the n2000 is apparently Accuphase-grade in its construction, though probably not built by Keebler (or Tolkein) elves and definitely not priced that way.
If one isn’t averse to the silver version (I do like it), Amazon is currently offering that version at a $700 discount - $3399. I think I’m going to take it for a spin
If one isn’t averse to the silver version (I do like it), Amazon is currently offering that version at a $700 discount - $3399. I think I’m going to take it for a spin
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The Yamaha r-n2000a is incredible. The construction is top notch.... I love how the loudness button can be adjusted. The streaming never gives me issues. The sound stage is really good. In many ways, I like the sound better on the 2000 than the 3200...that is why I use it as a preamp to the 3200.I don’t know if it sounds significantly better than an n803 (which I do own), but the n2000 is apparently Accuphase-grade in its construction, though probably not built by Keebler (or Tolkein) elves and definitely not priced that way.
If one isn’t averse to the silver version (I do like it), Amazon is currently offering that version at a $700 discount - $3399. I think I’m going to take it for a spin
Sound wise, I would take the 2000 over the 3200 any day if I had to just have one. But using the 3200 with the 2000 gives it that extra hifi clarity and low bass notes... so basically the 3200 just complements the 2000.
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I have the pre-out of the 2000a going into the 3200 line in with RCA cables. I tried pure direct before but I did not like it, because I loss that colored sound that I love that the 2000 has. I think it comes from the loudness knob.
Note: At times this setup will be to bright and I will just use the 2000a alone. It depends on the source. I think I can resolve the brightness from the 2 amps combined when I upgrade my Lumina II speakers to something maybe a little warmer.
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You need to use main in on the 3200, as others have stated.
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What exactly is the diff between main in and line in since they are both rca?
Main in should bypass the preamplifier. Currently U are using 2 pre-amps in your setup
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Ok, I just tried it in main. Very interesting sound... I will need to study more. Questions, please:
1) The volume knob has no effect on the volume on the AS-3200 with the main in. Why is this?
2) How much volume is the AS-3200 applying (I assume a fixed volume?) with the main in?
Because it bypasses the pre-amp. And turns it basically into a Poweramp.
It applies full volume
I think you have the answer to your question. You like the loudness but prefer the amplification of the AS3200.
I would sell the AS3200 and play with YPAO until you get good enough and wait for the next generation of the AS-3200 or N2000.
I would sell the AS3200 and play with YPAO until you get good enough and wait for the next generation of the AS-3200 or N2000.
