Subwoofer Comparison

[3125b]

Now my problem is theres also a KEF Kube 12B coming in today which is like three times as big? lol

The KEF is 13cm/5in deeper, but otherwise not much bigger: https://comparesizes.com/comparison/KEF-KC62-vs-SVS-3000-Micro-vs-KEF-12B-vs-KALI-WS62/1699978680838
If you can fit the Kali somewhere in your room the KEF would probably also fit. And it stands to reason that it's the technically superior sub.
The KEF has about 9Hz more LFE and (based on the numbers for the 10" 10B, the 12" model should gain about 6dB through most of the range) does play considerably louder than the Kali. It also looks better to me, but I guess that probably doesn't matter.

 

[ninetylol]

The KEF is 13cm/5in deeper, but otherwise not much bigger: https://comparesizes.com/comparison/KEF-KC62-vs-SVS-3000-Micro-vs-KEF-12B-vs-KALI-WS62/1699978680838
If you can fit the Kali somewhere in your room the KEF would probably also fit. And it stands to reason that it's the technically superior sub.
The KEF has about 9Hz more LFE and (based on the numbers for the 10" 10B, the 12" model should gain about 6dB through most of the range) does play considerably louder than the Kali. It also looks better to me, but I guess that probably doesn't matter.

While i agree, it seems the Kali is more then adequate especially given its lower size. Probably worse in watching movies because of the higher extension.

 

[theronic]

@sweetchaos, you mention Boston Acoustics XB4 in your post, but I don't see the XB4 in your spreadsheet. Is this the latest list?

 

[sweetchaos]

@sweetchaos, you mention Boston Acoustics XB4 in your post, but I don't see the XB4 in your spreadsheet. Is this the latest list?

It's just another discontinued sub, so it didn't make my spreadsheet initially.
I've added it just now.

 

[sweetchaos]

Just noticed a bunch of SVS subs are on Black Friday Sale.

Name	Previous Price USD	Current Sale Price USD
SB-1000 Pro (ash)	599	499 (or 15% off)
PB-1000 Pro	799	None
SB-2000 Pro (ash)	899	799 (or 11% off)
PB-2000 Pro	1099	999 (or 9% off)
3000 Micro	899	799 (or 11% off)
SB-3000	1099	None
PB-3000	1599	None
SB-4000 (ash)	1799	1699 (or 5% off)
PB-4000 (ash)	2299	2099 (or 8% off)
SB16-ULTRA	2299	2099 (or 8% off)
PB16-ULTRA	2899	None

Didn't update spreadsheet with this yet. Will update when I get the chance.

 

[theronic]

It's just another discontinued sub, so it didn't make my spreadsheet initially.
I've added it just now.

Thanks. Where did you add it? I don't see it on the sheet linked to in initial post.

edit: did you perhaps add it as XH4?

 

[sweetchaos]

Thanks. Where did you add it? I don't see it on the sheet linked to in initial post.

edit: did you perhaps add it as XH4?

It's past midnight already. My bad. Fixed.

 

[drelldrell]

Good afternoon,
I would appreciate any advice on a potential dual subwoofer purchase/exchange. Back information:

• Basement family room (concrete slab) at 26x11x7 (~2,000cf) open on right side to stairway and 4’ hallway to a 11x13x7 room (~1,100 cf).
• 60/40 movies/music use but really like music listening
• Klipsch RF7III and RC64 for front stage
• Currently have dual PB-2000 non-pro
• Typically had ported but curious about sealed for mid-bass punch and overall accuracy
• Looking for accurate lowend without bloat but sense of tactile feel (not doing bass transducers)
• I think room gain also make sealed subs have better low end feel. Not sure how to measure or predict room gain.

I am considering the following: SVS SB-3000, SVS PB-3000, Klipsch RP-1600SW. Also considered REL T/9X and JL Audio D110 (not sure will be enough low end).
Heard great things about 1600SW but a bit skeptical because it’s new. I like the DSP from SVS to add to mini-DSP calibration process.
I have called SVS customer service a few times over the last few weeks. Their recommendations are good but also vary.

 

[soerenssen]

Is anyone using Arendal 1723 (old 1 or new 1S) sealed subwoofers in a dual input configuration?
I just want to make sure that they can switch automatically between XLR and RCA sources (Topping balanced DAC and Denon AVR with RCA pre-outs), depending on the input signal. I asked Arendal support but they haven't replied yet. I am considering those for a KEF 5.2 / 2.2 system, but any alternative suggestion would be welcome. Current room is 35m2, 3.2m high, but open from one end to other rooms.

 

[marses]

Hi all. What sub would be good to pair with iLOUD mtm? Thanks in advance.

 

[Willem]

The speakers have some fancy dsp, so it would be nice if there are any iLoud subs, but I don't see any. Also, I don't see any output connector, so you would have to feed the subs from the DAC/preamp, and do your own dsp equalizing. As for subs, two small ones are usually far better than one big one. Moreover, all subs need some form of dsp room equalization to deal with room modes.

 

[Elitzur–Vaidman]

Hi all. What sub would be good to pair with iLOUD mtm? Thanks in advance.

My office setup is a pair of iLoud MTMs and an SVS 3000 micro, but you need a good way to split the signal between the two. What's your DAC?

 

[marses]

My office setup is a pair of iLoud MTMs and an SVS 3000 micro, but you need a good way to split the signal between the two. What's your DAC?

Im using topping l50 and e50.

 

[Elitzur–Vaidman]

Im using topping l50 and e50.

Then I'd definitely recommend an SVS subwoofer (SB 1000 Pro or 3000 Micro). Use the balanced outputs for your MTMs and your unbalanced for the subwoofer.

 

[marses]

Im planning to split my balance output to speaker and subwoofer. Any concern with this setup?

Aiming for https://www.klipsch.com/products/r-121sw-subwoofer.

 

[marses]

Then I'd definitely recommend an SVS subwoofer (SB 1000 Pro or 3000 Micro). Use the balanced outputs for your MTMs and your unbalanced for the subwoofer.

Im using unbalance to my l50.

 

[Elitzur–Vaidman]

Im using unbalance to my l50.

Im planning to split my balance output to speaker and subwoofer. Any concern with this setup?

Aiming for https://www.klipsch.com/products/r-121sw-subwoofer.

Well neither SVS nor the klipsch subwoofers have balanced inputs. You'd be better off splitting the unbalanced signal IMO (especially if you get an SVS sb which is easy to control via app).

 

[marses]

I see. Im thinking of spliting the RCA output from my dac (e50) to amp l50 and subwoofer.

Good idea? Potential loss quality in the signal?

 

[Willem]

Good idea

 

[staticV3]

@sweetchaos
Small corrections for the spreadsheet: the ESI Aktiv 10s has a 100Hz HPF:


The KRK S8.4, S10.4, S12.4 also have an HPF at 70/80/90/100Hz.

PS: please consider changing the metric units for volume and footprint to liters (=dm³) and square meters (m²), respectively.
They're just more relatable and readable.