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Serious Question: How can Op Amp rolling improve the sound of an already well measuring device? Are that many confused? (Master Thread)

I didn't expect the topic to be this big
The thread will get much bigger. Trust me.

It will be somewhat repetitive though. It would help if, in future, anyone dropping by would read the thread so far and really consider if they need to ask a question that has been asked (and answered) multiple times before. :p
 
The thread will get much bigger. Trust me.

It will be somewhat repetitive though. It would help if, in future, anyone dropping by would read the thread so far and really consider if they need to ask a question that has been asked (and answered) multiple times before. :p

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It will be somewhat repetitive though. It would help if, in future, anyone dropping by would read the thread so far and really consider if they need to ask a question that has been asked (and answered) multiple times before.
If you already know in advance what the answers will be, it's boring and you also know pretty much exactly what the dividing lines of the arguments will be.
A real exchange or comparison of arguments is not possible in this way, but that also corresponds to a general trend.
 
If you already know in advance what the answers will be, it's boring and you also know pretty much exactly what the dividing lines of the arguments will be.
A real exchange or comparison of arguments is not possible in this way, but that also corresponds to a general trend.
It's why we have these collector threads. It keeps the dross out of the more interesting areas.
 
Your thread was repurposed and your OP replaced, to now be used as an example thread of what not to expect from opamp rolling.


JSmith
Just to clarify slightly. His OP was not replaced, but an additional post as added before that one as an explanation of what this thread is now for.

The OP is still there at #2
 
Just to clarify slightly. His OP was not replaced, but an additional post as added before that one as an explanation of what this thread is now for.

The OP is still there at #2
OK, we don’t need to dance around this. We (The Moderator Team) hijacked your @DreaminquE thread. We did it in an attempt to make the issue more understandable and to include a broader rage of related issues. We work as a team here and your initial post was very helpful in organizing the crew to address this issue head on and to make a specific thread directly relevant to your questions/inquiries. Now it will be used as a collection thread for future inquiry posts. This is the new Master Thread for all things “Op Amp”. One stop shopping. Thank you @DreaminquE for your contribution and you should feel proud that your post rallied the crew to action. :cool:
 
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OK, we don’t need to dance around this. We (The Moderator Team) hijacked your @DreaminquE thread. We did it in an attempt to make the issue more understandable and to include a broader rage of related issues. We work as a team here and your initial post was very helpful in organizing the crew to address this issue head on and to make a specific thread directly relevant to your questions/inquiries. Now it will be used as a collection thread for future inquiry posts. This is the new Master Thread for all things “Op Amp”. One stop shopping. Thank you @dreamin for your contribution and you should feel proud that your post rallied the crew to action. :cool:
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Holy shit, this is what Aiyima themselves have to say about what it sounds like with different op amps in their A04 & A07!:oops:

NE5532: The resolution is average, the high frequency is relatively dry, and the low frequency is relatively muddy and fat.

OP275: Better resolution, low frequency and sound field than NE5532.

EL2244: The timbre is neutral, the sound field is relatively wide, the high frequency is okay, and the mid-frequency music tastes poor. Some people say that the resolution is very high. In fact, it is because the low-frequency volume is less, the mid-frequency is thin, and the high-frequency is prominent. It is more difficult to use well.

LT1057: The two ends extend well, and the speed, dynamics and resolution are also quite good, but it is a cool tone.

AD827: The extension is very good, the resolution is high, the high frequency is gorgeous, the intermediate frequency is pure and thick, the low frequency dive and the strength are good, the sound field expands forward and backward, the speed is good, the dynamics are good, and it feels very exciting. It feels refreshing. But after listening for a long time, I found many problems. 1 Although the three-frequency band, the sound field is very wide, the momentum is strong, and the opening is wide, but the structure is a bit loose and not tight enough. 2 The vocal part is average, sometimes large In the dynamic state, the vocals are submerged by the soundtrack. 3 It is not detailed enough, which is more than passion but not tender enough.

OPA2604: It feels like an upgraded version of NE5532, with great improvements in all aspects, good resolution, better musical taste, courageous, solid sound bottom and a bit rigid, and the overall quality is very good.

DY649: Compared with OPA2604, the resolution is better. The high frequency part is slender and soft and rich in overtones. The sound bottom is not thicker than OPA2604. It has a clear and detailed feeling. The music picture is very clear. The vocal part is round and transparent, and sweet. The sweet feeling, human voice (especially female voice) is its strong point.

DY639: The overallity is slightly weaker than DY649, but it has the characteristics of tube amplifier.

DY669: Not too different from OPA2604, pure and thick voice.

AD712: The resolving power is very good, the sound is clear and without coloration, a very transparent feeling, the sound bottom is detailed, and the low frequency is slightly less.


Yet my preamp with a 5534 a side has a wide and deep soundstage *if it's there in the recording* and I discovered my cobbled fifty year old Spendors can actually reproduce it slightly better than a rather more modern take on the speaker basic design. The sound can be sweet or acidic from track to track or album to album and after a direct vs. through-preamp comparison years ago when I felt my 'ears' were better, I'm damned if I could hear any difference if volume levels were as accurately matched as I could get them (scientifically matched, there'd be no difference at all I'm certain).

That Ayima puff linked to, actually puts me off their products - we're not in the tech-ignorant 80s and 90s now!
 
Holy shit, this is what Aiyima themselves have to say about what it sounds like with different op amps in their A04 & A07!:oops:

NE5532: The resolution is average, the high frequency is relatively dry, and the low frequency is relatively muddy and fat.

OP275: Better resolution, low frequency and sound field than NE5532.

EL2244: The timbre is neutral, the sound field is relatively wide, the high frequency is okay, and the mid-frequency music tastes poor. Some people say that the resolution is very high. In fact, it is because the low-frequency volume is less, the mid-frequency is thin, and the high-frequency is prominent. It is more difficult to use well.

LT1057: The two ends extend well, and the speed, dynamics and resolution are also quite good, but it is a cool tone.

AD827: The extension is very good, the resolution is high, the high frequency is gorgeous, the intermediate frequency is pure and thick, the low frequency dive and the strength are good, the sound field expands forward and backward, the speed is good, the dynamics are good, and it feels very exciting. It feels refreshing. But after listening for a long time, I found many problems. 1 Although the three-frequency band, the sound field is very wide, the momentum is strong, and the opening is wide, but the structure is a bit loose and not tight enough. 2 The vocal part is average, sometimes large In the dynamic state, the vocals are submerged by the soundtrack. 3 It is not detailed enough, which is more than passion but not tender enough.

OPA2604: It feels like an upgraded version of NE5532, with great improvements in all aspects, good resolution, better musical taste, courageous, solid sound bottom and a bit rigid, and the overall quality is very good.

DY649: Compared with OPA2604, the resolution is better. The high frequency part is slender and soft and rich in overtones. The sound bottom is not thicker than OPA2604. It has a clear and detailed feeling. The music picture is very clear. The vocal part is round and transparent, and sweet. The sweet feeling, human voice (especially female voice) is its strong point.

DY639: The overallity is slightly weaker than DY649, but it has the characteristics of tube amplifier.

DY669: Not too different from OPA2604, pure and thick voice.

AD712: The resolving power is very good, the sound is clear and without coloration, a very transparent feeling, the sound bottom is detailed, and the low frequency is slightly less.



How convenient, there seems to be a correlation where the more positive or elaborate descriptors are used, the higher the price of the op-amp. :D
 
Yet my preamp with a 5534 a side has a wide and deep soundstage *if it's there in the recording* and I discovered my cobbled fifty year old Spendors can actually reproduce it slightly better than a rather more modern take on the speaker basic design. The sound can be sweet or acidic from track to track or album to album and after a direct vs. through-preamp comparison years ago when I felt my 'ears' were better, I'm damned if I could hear any difference if volume levels were as accurately matched as I could get them (scientifically matched, there'd be no difference at all I'm certain).

That Ayima puff linked to, actually puts me off their products - we're not in the tech-ignorant 80s and 90s now!
How convenient, there seems to be a correlation where the more positive or elaborate descriptors are used, the higher the price of the op-amp. :D
Written to satisfy HiFi subjectivists.

I can see it in front of me at some Aiyima marketing meeting where the creative bullshit process produced what we see in the text about different op amps. And then, what is it called in English? Aiyima is laughing all the way to the bank.

Apparently it was called what I thought:


Anyway. For the few $ that the op amp costs, if the subjectivists are happy with their imagination then so be it. As long as they don't preach it to me.
It doesn't hurt their wallet, but maybe at some point they, the subjectivists, will feel a little cheated and stupid when they realize the bullshit. That doesn't mean it's the end of the world for them.Most of us have done some stupid bullshit (generally not just HiFi now) in our lives. Just learn from the mistake, shake it off and move on. Such is life.:)
 
Written to satisfy HiFi subjectivists.



if the subjectivists are happy with their imagination then so be it. As long as they don't preach it to me.

If "they" preach it to everyone else, and everyone else believes it, then you will be stranded alone with the truth in a world that careens on a downward path that you cannot prevent. If you do not raise your voice ... if all of us do not raise our voices ... ignorance has won. Subjectivism has won. Lies have won. Superstition has won.

I have said repeatedly that our world is, for whatever reason, increasingly wary of science and logic. More accurately, our world is rejecting the conclusions of science and logic. IOW, people will support and respect science and logic as long as it supports their personal prejudices and desires ... and condemn it otherwise.

All around us, companies seem to be pandering to this segment of our population. Why? Is it for one more dollar? If you legitimize mass ignorance for one more dollar, what will you do when the ignorant masses turn on you and tear you to shreds? Will it have been worth one more dollar then?

Our society is built on science and logic, not on lies, ignorance and superstition. Let's not let "them" kick the chair out from under us, so to speak.
 
I have said repeatedly that our world is, for whatever reason, increasingly wary of science and logic. More accurately, our world is rejecting the conclusions of science and logic. IOW, people will support and respect science and logic as long as it supports their personal prejudices and desires ... and condemn it otherwise.
IMO many people choose to believe lies because it's easier. There's little need to fully understand the issue or apply critical analysis. It's the path of least resistance. It's like eating processed food out of a package when you are hungry rather than cooking a proper meal. It satisfies the immediate need and the solution requires the least amount of effort. It's ironic that once they go down that path they can sometimes expend substantial effort blindly defending that decision, effort that could have been spent learning and doing critical analysis.
 
effort that could have been spent learning and doing critical analysis.
Requiring reactance theory and OP amp fundamentals/ That's actually a fairly intense study for most people especially from home without a instructor prodding one along to learn.
 
I've never swapped an op-amp before, but if I did and heard anything close to a difference from the original situation, there's no way I'd post it on ASR.
That's pretty much one of the worst ideas you can have. :facepalm:
Unless you have masochistic tendencies. :cool:
 
Requiring reactance theory and OP amp fundamentals/ That's actually a fairly intense study for most people especially from home without a instructor prodding one along to learn.
I was replying to Jim's general comment, not specifically in the context of OP amps. Having said that one doesn't have to be a virologist to make an informed decision on a vaccine. It's about doing what you can to separate the lies from the truth not necessarily doing the science to be able to arrive at your own truth.
 
If "they" preach it to everyone else, and everyone else believes it, then you will be stranded alone with the truth in a world that careens on a downward path that you cannot prevent. If you do not raise your voice ... if all of us do not raise our voices ... ignorance has won. Subjectivism has won. Lies have won. Superstition has won.

I have said repeatedly that our world is, for whatever reason, increasingly wary of science and logic. More accurately, our world is rejecting the conclusions of science and logic. IOW, people will support and respect science and logic as long as it supports their personal prejudices and desires ... and condemn it otherwise.

All around us, companies seem to be pandering to this segment of our population. Why? Is it for one more dollar? If you legitimize mass ignorance for one more dollar, what will you do when the ignorant masses turn on you and tear you to shreds? Will it have been worth one more dollar then?

Our society is built on science and logic, not on lies, ignorance and superstition. Let's not let "them" kick the chair out from under us, so to speak.
You missed to say: But you write in this thread so..?;)
It's a bit of a gray area for me.I can't help but do write in op amp threads like this even though it doesn't really bother me that much. Fun to argue though.:)

But ok you have a good point with what you say.:) However, in practice it can become a lot if you constantly have to argue about small, relatively insignificant things. Wasn't it Doodski who started a thread about some damn stubborn neighbor he was constantly arguing about electronics with? A neighbor who apparently knew nothing about electronics but didn't give up his position, view of whatever it was, no matter how objectively wrong he was? Arguing with such a person can suck the energy out of anyone. Wait...I'm doing a search.....it was this thread:

 
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