Yes I too experienced the same thing.Okay, so here's an interesting one. I and another experienced engineer both experienced the same thing, without prompting, about the mids and highs on the 8361: they're kind of "washy"/indistinct sounding.
Is there anything in the measurements that would indicate why this is or is this one of those purely subjective things that we don't have a good way of looking for yet?
Yes, for all intents and purpose (room loading not withstanding). At least, that is the case for stereo music listeners such as me.So is it possible to call the 8361 "full range"?
My thread ( https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...t-reviews-and-listening-pleasure.50289/page-2) provides a playlist (titled AA+) on which my sample music is displayed. Notably, many of these include pipe organ music and EDM with ridiculous sub-bass. The stereo pair of 8361A's does not miss a note, and (I would argue) produces a sense of greater speed, clarity and detail when played in my listening room without my pair of 7360A subs.Depends what you mean by full range. Also whether you want it for movies, for which -6db down at 23 hz is definitely not full range. It’s fine for me though and I don’t feel I need more for the music I enjoy. Bass lines and organs all sound excellent!
You really shouldn't be exceeding the 80 dB average SPL in regular listening (for health and safety reasons), and the 8361's will play up to 100 dB without the slightest hint of distortion. They are actually specified as going up to 118 dB SPL, so I don't think you need worry about distortion. To paraphrase Amir, 'you just don't have to worry about distortion with these monitors.'Depends on the SPL requested but yes at higher SPL it will have more distortion.
I obviously ran the GRADE report for both with and without subs performance in my listening room. And (other than the noted 9Hz loss at the bottom end) performance does not deteriorate without the subs. As I say, it might be worth trying in your listening room - particularly for those who already have the both options: the loss of scale will be made up for with cleaner, faster, more detailed sounding performances.Measurements seem to show a lot of resonances in time domain in mids and above, and some spikes in distortion in that area at higher volume?
Fine, maybe the fact is that the best integration (even when using the compensations provided by AutoCal and Auto phase on GLM5) is NO integration. That has always been the case to my experience and seems to be no different here.Doesn't make sense. 8361a should now have more distortion without the sub.
Sounds like you may not have had the crossover to the sub calibrated properly. Obviously mids and tweeter should be the same.
And yes I have tried it.
I have tried it extensively, but the post you quoted was in response to dfuller above.I obviously ran the GRADE report for both with and without subs performance in my listening room. And (other than the noted 9Hz loss at the bottom end) performance does not deteriorate without the subs. As I say, it might be worth trying in your listening room - particularly for those who already have the both options: the loss of scale will be made up for with cleaner, faster, more detailed sounding performances.
Yes, Sacha. My response was not meant as a criticism, more of a reinforced point. I think that I did like your comment.I have tried it extensively, but the post you quoted was in response to dfuller above.
Is Amirm deaf?The mids are very capable. Maybe because of odd shape, the woofers don't jell well with the mids. Then the tweeter struggles with high spl in the transients and can not keep up with the mids
doesn't matter without beryllium tweeter anywayIt really wants to make me stamp my foot!
If they had used proper shaped drivers then they would jell ( sic) properly.
Keith
I don't know if I'd agree with this; the shape of the driver largely isn't that important given it isn't impacting the directivity pattern. My guess is it's something not easily measurable, maybe some kind of intermodulation or diffraction, but that's a spitball guess.Yes I too experienced the same thing.
The mids are very capable. Maybe because of odd shape, the woofers don't jell well with the mids. Then the tweeter struggles with high spl in the transients and can not keep up with the mids. The difference in effeciency in the drivers is just too different. Again it's mostly noticeable in the transients.
I also have genelec 8050b and they do not have this problem. If I could go back in time I would get the genelec s360 or Alcons audio and be done.
Strangely the 8341a is excellent, no issues. Likely related to the drivers being more proportionally sized and work better together.
What about all this stuff:I don't know if I'd agree with this; the shape of the driver largely isn't that important given it isn't impacting the directivity pattern. My guess is it's something not easily measurable, maybe some kind of intermodulation or diffraction, but that's a spitball guess.