Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

[Pearljam5000]

What's the Finland reference? Or am I just misreading the word?

It says that Genelec is in Lisalmi, Finland (A Facebook location thing)
So you read it correctly

 

[SIY]

It says that Genelec is in Lisalmi, Finland (A Facebook location thing)
So you read it correctly

Odd that they'd mix the scripts like that... but not being a Face-thingie user, the peculiarities never occur to me.

 

[Dgob]

Just a quick update. I've currently removed my pair of subs and am running the 8361A's as a stand-alone stereo pair. This has lost me 9Hz of bottom end in room response (from the 14Hz with the subs up to 23Hz on their own). That results in a slightly less full and solid imaging. However, it cleans up performance and brings out detail, dynamism and tonality in the 8361A's. Worth trying for those using small to medium sized listening rooms or studios.

 

[Impossible]

Doesn't make sense. 8361a should now have more distortion without the sub.

Sounds like you may not have had the crossover to the sub calibrated properly. Obviously mids and tweeter should be the same.

And yes I have tried it.

 

[sleepy.sock]

I sold my 7360 (to an ASR member) because I found the sub wasn’t necessary to listen to music. I already got good response via room loading for my 8361s down to 23Hz with hefty feeling bass. That is enough for me! Main reason to sell was to reduce clutter in the living room. On the other hand, I love having a 7350 with my 8331s.

 

[Pearljam5000]

So is it possible to call the 8361 "full range"?

 

[staticV3]

So is it possible to call the 8361 "full range"?

Depends.

90% of music and movie soundtracks do not have meaningful content outside of the 8361A's capabilities, and so I'd be inclined to call it "practically full-range".

However, if you care about infrasonics, then it's not difficult to find content that the 8361A alone will struggle with (e.g. movies with BassEQ applied).

 

[Impossible]

No it's not full range like a capable tower like, revel ultima salon 2, focal sopra no2/3, paradigm persona, jbl m2.

 

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Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

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hmmm
Keith

 

[JustJones]

So is it possible to call the 8361 "full range"?

Depends, for me, yes it would be full range. I wouldn't use them for movies, listen position would be 2 - 2.5 meters and The Beatles Come Together or Nilisson Jump Into The Fire are good examples of bass requirements.

 

[sleepy.sock]

Depends what you mean by full range. Also whether you want it for movies, for which -6db down at 23 hz is definitely not full range. It’s fine for me though and I don’t feel I need more for the music I enjoy. Bass lines and organs all sound excellent!

 

[CMB]

To my knowledge, full range usually means 20Hz to 20Khz.

In my room the 8361s measure from 25Hz at-3. That’s maybe not entirely, but pretty full range.

Knowing both of the mentioned Sopras. They don’t play deeper despite their size.

 

[Mykola]

Just a quick update. I've currently removed my pair of subs and am running the 8361A's as a stand-alone stereo pair. This has lost me 9Hz of bottom end in room response (from the 14Hz with the subs up to 23Hz on their own). That results in a slightly less full and solid imaging. However, it cleans up performance and brings out detail, dynamism and tonality in the 8361A's. Worth trying for those using small to medium sized listening rooms or studios.

Good to know . I am not buying sub till I finish room treatment.

 

[srrxr71]

Just a quick update. I've currently removed my pair of subs and am running the 8361A's as a stand-alone stereo pair. This has lost me 9Hz of bottom end in room response (from the 14Hz with the subs up to 23Hz on their own). That results in a slightly less full and solid imaging. However, it cleans up performance and brings out detail, dynamism and tonality in the 8361A's. Worth trying for those using small to medium sized listening rooms or studios.

100% agree with this. Sometimes domestic peace is non negotiable.

 

[srrxr71]

To my knowledge, full range usually means 20Hz to 20Khz.

In my room the 8361s measure from 25Hz at-3. That’s maybe not entirely, but pretty full range.

Knowing both of the mentioned Sopras. They don’t play deeper despite their size.

It’s more than enough.

 

[srrxr71]

Doesn't make sense. 8361a should now have more distortion without the sub.

Sounds like you may not have had the crossover to the sub calibrated properly. Obviously mids and tweeter should be the same.

And yes I have tried it.

Depends on the SPL requested but yes at higher SPL it will have more distortion.

 

[Sacha]

My 8351s sounded significantly better / clearer with subs. I guess it would depend on your room / placement and how that affected the low end, but in my use case taking the strain off them was easily noticeable in a positive way. I wasn't listening loud usually either.

 

[dfuller]

Okay, so here's an interesting one. I and another experienced engineer both experienced the same thing, without prompting, about the mids and highs on the 8361: they're kind of "washy"/indistinct sounding.

Is there anything in the measurements that would indicate why this is or is this one of those purely subjective things that we don't have a good way of looking for yet?

 

[MAB]

Okay, so here's an interesting one. I and another experienced engineer both experienced the same thing, without prompting, about the mids and highs on the 8361: they're kind of "washy"/indistinct sounding.

Is there anything in the measurements that would indicate why this is or is this one of those purely subjective things that we don't have a good way of looking for yet?

More likely one of those purely subjective things that don’t exist.

 

[tmtomh]

Okay, so here's an interesting one. I and another experienced engineer both experienced the same thing, without prompting, about the mids and highs on the 8361: they're kind of "washy"/indistinct sounding.

Is there anything in the measurements that would indicate why this is or is this one of those purely subjective things that we don't have a good way of looking for yet?

My first thought would be placement/room. I've played with the toe angle, height angle, and distance from front (or is it rear?) wall of my 8351b's quite a bit, re-running GLM each time to ensure I'm comparing apples to apples as much as possible, and I've found that even a few inches or a few degrees changes the sound character quite a bit - maybe not radically but still quite noticeably. This includes perceptions of "presence," sharpness/precision of certain upper-mid/treble frequencies, and a lot more.

I would think such effects would be especially the case with Genelecs, as GLM doesn't apply room EQ above about 1kHz (give or take), unlike some other room-correction setups. So when it comes to the highs and a lot of the mids, the perceived in-room sound of Genelecs is going to be a lot about the ratio of direct to reflected sound, and a lot about the "raw" in-room response of a particular speaker placement at a particular listening position.

For what it's worth, imprecision is most definitely not the impression I've ever gotten from mine. Quite the contrary.