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Neumann KH420 Review (Studio Monitor)

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The 60hz null might be ceiling bounce. Maybe consider a cloud?
I think I really have been fortunate, my girlfriend doesn't mind all my gear in the living room, acoustic treatment is too much :) . That's why I'm hoping that a single KH 750 sub on a different spot + MA-1 room calibration might do the trick. Wondering though if I'm selling the KH 420 short with a single sub (at moderate listening levels)
 
Is it possible to move your seating slightly and see if that gets rid of your dip. You could possibly be sitting in a room node null. Try moving it forward or back a foot and then after right a foot and see if that gets rid of the dip in your response.
 
Can try REW room simulator, it’s pretty good for searching for possible placement.

For me, I got a big dip ~130Hz, from floor bounce. I just gotta live with it.
 
Wondering though if I'm selling the KH 420 short with a single sub (at moderate listening levels)
Definitely! Bear in mind that with the MA-1 the built-in bass speakers will only work down to 80 Hz. A single closed-box KH 750 will not make up for this. Rather try changing your listening position.
 
I think I really have been fortunate, my girlfriend doesn't mind all my gear in the living room, acoustic treatment is too much :) . That's why I'm hoping that a single KH 750 sub on a different spot + MA-1 room calibration might do the trick. Wondering though if I'm selling the KH 420 short with a single sub (at moderate listening levels)
Acoustic treatment can be subtle.
 
Definitely! Bear in mind that with the MA-1 the built-in bass speakers will only work down to 80 Hz. A single closed-box KH 750 will not make up for this. Rather try changing your listening position.
That’s what I thought, two subs or nothing. My listening position can’t be changed. Would be nice if the optional digital DIM 1 module had room correction. Two subs are tempting though; besides MA 1 room correction, which seems pretty good by now, I also heard the mids sound even better, with the extra subs. Maybe next year; for now I’m broke, after buying the KH 420’s
 
Hello, I just had a thought and this seems like the thread to ask. As a KH-310 owner, what do you think the outcome difference would be between:

A pair of KH310's paired with two KH750 subwoofers in stereo mode
vs
A pair of KH420's in stereo

The more I thought about it the more I wondered. Considering the KH750 has a 10" subwoofer in it that is the same size as the KH420 woofer, would these not end up being quite sonically similar when setup ? I heard they sound very similar to begin with anyways. Say you mounted the KH310's directly on top of the subwoofer, essentially simulating the setup and form factor of the KH420's. I know its technically still a 4 way driver set up vs 3 way driver setup with just the KH420's.

But what would the pros and cons be of these two setups ? how much different would it end up being ? Sidenote: very high SPL is not my goal here either, while its nice to have power on tap, the goal is very accurate monitoring at reasonable levels.

Edit: Sorry it seems this question has been asked a few times already with varied responses in different threads, reading those threads now.
 
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Hello, I just had a thought and this seems like the thread to ask. As a KH-310 owner, what do you think the outcome difference would be between:

A pair of KH310's paired with two KH750 subwoofers in stereo mode
vs
A pair of KH420's in stereo

The more I thought about it the more I wondered. Considering the KH750 has a 10" subwoofer in it that is the same size as the KH420 woofer, would these not end up being quite sonically similar when setup ? I heard they sound very similar to begin with anyways. Say you mounted the KH310's directly on top of the subwoofer, essentially simulating the setup and form factor of the KH420's. I know its technically still a 4 way driver set up vs 3 way driver setup with just the KH420's.

But what would the pros and cons be of these two setups ? how much different would it end up being ? Sidenote: very high SPL is not my goal here either, while its nice to have power on tap, the goal is very accurate monitoring at reasonable levels.

Edit: Sorry it seems this question has been asked a few times already with varied responses in different threads, reading those threads now.
They are for different purposes -ie listening distances. Not interchangeable.
 
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Hello, I just had a thought and this seems like the thread to ask. As a KH-310 owner, what do you think the outcome difference would be between:

A pair of KH310's paired with two KH750 subwoofers in stereo mode
vs
A pair of KH420's in stereo

The more I thought about it the more I wondered. Considering the KH750 has a 10" subwoofer in it that is the same size as the KH420 woofer, would these not end up being quite sonically similar when setup ? I heard they sound very similar to begin with anyways. Say you mounted the KH310's directly on top of the subwoofer, essentially simulating the setup and form factor of the KH420's. I know its technically still a 4 way driver set up vs 3 way driver setup with just the KH420's.

But what would the pros and cons be of these two setups ? how much different would it end up being ? Sidenote: very high SPL is not my goal here either, while its nice to have power on tap, the goal is very accurate monitoring at reasonable levels.

Edit: Sorry it seems this question has been asked a few times already with varied responses in different threads, reading those threads now.
The 420s have considerably better dynamics above where you'd cross a sub.
 
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The 420s have considerably better dynamics above where you'd cross a sub.
Would you say this is noticeable at "normal" listening level?

I am currently running 2x KH310 plus 2x KH810 in my living room (3.5m listening distance) and wondering if an upgrade to KH420 would justify the additional cost...
 
Hello, I just had a thought and this seems like the thread to ask. As a KH-310 owner, what do you think the outcome difference would be between:

A pair of KH310's paired with two KH750 subwoofers in stereo mode
vs
A pair of KH420's in stereo

The more I thought about it the more I wondered. Considering the KH750 has a 10" subwoofer in it that is the same size as the KH420 woofer, would these not end up being quite sonically similar when setup ? I heard they sound very similar to begin with anyways. Say you mounted the KH310's directly on top of the subwoofer, essentially simulating the setup and form factor of the KH420's. I know its technically still a 4 way driver set up vs 3 way driver setup with just the KH420's.

But what would the pros and cons be of these two setups ? how much different would it end up being ? Sidenote: very high SPL is not my goal here either, while its nice to have power on tap, the goal is very accurate monitoring at reasonable levels.

Edit: Sorry it seems this question has been asked a few times already with varied responses in different threads, reading those threads now.
Hi, I bought the KH420's for use at home, also at moderate listening levels, in the living room.
Of axis frequency response is much better, compared to the KH310, as can be seen in Amir's reviews,
which is good I guess for casual use with multiple listening positions.

Not sure what your room acoustics are, but a setup that goes as low as the KH420 or the dual KH750 can cause a lot of issues.

As someone said on Reddit: 'you can live in blissful ignorance of what your rooms low end response is like, with monitors that don't dig deep'.

At first the KH420 did not sound good at all in my living room caused by reflections, room modes and what not.
I've put in a lot of time getting it right; Sonarworks was of no use at all in this setup,
REW was a big help in finding out what the acoustics are and the moving microphone measurement resulted in pretty good frequency response.
Dirac Live eventually was the solution for me, and was able to tame the KH420's. They now sound superb, at multiple listening positions.
They fill the living room with sound, for me, it's almost a different experience listening to music in general.

Great thing about Dirac Live is that it is made for audio enthousiast at home, not just studio use. It's let's you choose three different listening positions (focussed - wide - ultra wide), so it's quite flexible in use. I bought the dspMini Flex digital with Dirac Live, and connected it to a Topping E50 DAC which has balanced outs to the KH420's.
Great thing about the dspMini Flex, is that it lets you store different listening positions, which you can choose from using just the remote (each listening postion has Dirac's frequency and delay correction)
I've not tried the MA-1 correction that comes with the KH750's, but from what I understand it's very good, but not as flexible for any setup. For instance, the distance between your speakers should be the same as to the listening position (a=b=c), something to consider.

I guess that a choice between the 310's + subs or the KH420's also depends on distance of your listening position, a small or wide listening position and your room acoustics; if they suck, you probably need DSP correction going that low. Maybe the Neumann MA-1 is best for you, or a third party solution like Dirac.
 
A pair of KH310's paired with two KH750 subwoofers in stereo mode
vs
A pair of KH420's in stereo

In my view KH420 is better. KH420 directivity is more even compared to KH310. See the difference in the 1kHz region in the chart below. The KH420 has a proper waveguide for the mid-dome therefore control the directivity well in the mid-range, whereas the KH310 only has a small waveguide surrounding the mid-dome due to lack of space probably resulting in the off-axis energy spray/burst around 1kHz.

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Disclaimer: I am current KH310 owner. I had wanted the KH420 but because logistic challenges for Thomann to ship the KH420 to me in my country, therefore I bought the KH310 from them instead. I have no regrets buying the KH310, but still yearn for the KH420.
 
Would you say this is noticeable at "normal" listening level?

I am currently running 2x KH310 plus 2x KH810 in my living room (3.5m listening distance) and wondering if an upgrade to KH420 would justify the additional cost...
Yes, actually. At moderately loud (~86dB Z) levels the KH310s already compress pretty audible to me.
 
isclaimer: I am current KH310 owner. I had wanted the KH420 but because logistic challenges for Thomann to ship the KH420 to me in my country, therefore I bought the KH310 from them instead. I have no regrets buying the KH310, but still yearn for the KH420.
I mean, you could still go for an in-wall installation...
 
Hi, I bought the KH420's for use at home, also at moderate listening levels, in the living room.
Of axis frequency response is much better, compared to the KH310, as can be seen in Amir's reviews,
which is good I guess for casual use with multiple listening positions.

Not sure what your room acoustics are, but a setup that goes as low as the KH420 or the dual KH750 can cause a lot of issues.

As someone said on Reddit: 'you can live in blissful ignorance of what your rooms low end response is like, with monitors that don't dig deep'.

At first the KH420 did not sound good at all in my living room caused by reflections, room modes and what not.
I've put in a lot of time getting it right; Sonarworks was of no use at all in this setup,
REW was a big help in finding out what the acoustics are and the moving microphone measurement resulted in pretty good frequency response.
Dirac Live eventually was the solution for me, and was able to tame the KH420's. They now sound superb, at multiple listening positions.
They fill the living room with sound, for me, it's almost a different experience listening to music in general.

Great thing about Dirac Live is that it is made for audio enthousiast at home, not just studio use. It's let's you choose three different listening positions (focussed - wide - ultra wide), so it's quite flexible in use. I bought the dspMini Flex digital with Dirac Live, and connected it to a Topping E50 DAC which has balanced outs to the KH420's.
Great thing about the dspMini Flex, is that it lets you store different listening positions, which you can choose from using just the remote (each listening postion has Dirac's frequency and delay correction)
I've not tried the MA-1 correction that comes with the KH750's, but from what I understand it's very good, but not as flexible for any setup. For instance, the distance between your speakers should be the same as to the listening position (a=b=c), something to consider.

I guess that a choice between the 310's + subs or the KH420's also depends on distance of your listening position, a small or wide listening position and your room acoustics; if they suck, you probably need DSP correction going that low. Maybe the Neumann MA-1 is best for you, or a third party solution like Dirac.
Dirac live seems pretty sweet. In either setup I plan on using room correction software eventually. My concern with dirac live is the latency because I actually do make music and low latency is important. It seems like MA 1 is just a few milliseconds but it sounds like direc live was much higher. My room acoustics are pretty modest I can admit.
 
Dirac live seems pretty sweet. In either setup I plan on using room correction software eventually. My concern with dirac live is the latency because I actually do make music and low latency is important. It seems like MA 1 is just a few milliseconds but it sounds like direc live was much higher. My room acoustics are pretty modest I can admit.
You’re right ! Latency of my miniDSP flex is about 10 ms. I’m routing audio through the RME UCXII and TotalMix, which let’s me add latency for other channels which keeps everything in sync. But 10 ms still something to consider for playing insruments.
 
Dirac live seems pretty sweet. In either setup I plan on using room correction software eventually. My concern with dirac live is the latency because I actually do make music and low latency is important. It seems like MA 1 is just a few milliseconds but it sounds like direc live was much higher. My room acoustics are pretty modest I can admit.
MA1 is designed to be run once. The information is stored and used in the monitors. It is not designed to be used live.
 
Yes, actually. At moderately loud (~86dB Z) levels the KH310s already compress pretty audible to me.
Yeah ----- 310's are just not designed for midrange use. They are nearfield monitors.
 
Yeah ----- 310's are just not designed for midrange use. They are nearfield monitors.
Even relatively nearfield (~1.5m) they just don't get loud. Small sealed box with lots of LFX.
 
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