Neumann KH120 II Monitor Review

[SorenTyson]

Link to Genelec's montior placement, scroll down to wall reflections and cancellations. They have graphics and can explain better than me.

Monitor Placement - Genelec.com

To create the ideal listening experience, several aspects need to be taken into account when placing the monitors within the listening space. First, you need to identify the listening area within the space and consider where the listener will be placed in relation to the space as well as the...

www.genelec.com

Thanks, that was a good read

 

[andlum]

I received my KH 120 ii's yesterday. Today the right one did not come back from standby automatically the first time. I've read something about a firmware update? How would I do that? Or just call Thomann and ask for a replacement?

 

[apx]

I received my KH 120 ii's yesterday. Today the right one did not come back from standby automatically the first time. I've read something about a firmware update? How would I do that? Or just call Thomann and ask for a replacement?

for a firmware update you just have to install the ma 1 software and hook up everything in the same network. the software will discover everything and you can just update it from there. no additional files needed.

 

[andlum]

for a firmware update you just have to install the ma 1 software and hook up everything in the same network. the software will discover everything and you can just update it from there. no additional files needed.

Is it sufficient to connect the speaker to my switch somewhere in my network, toggle it to network mode and start it? I tried it like this but my router (Unifi box) does not see it, yet. Do I need to connect an audio input to the speaker?

Just worked... apparently I have to connect both to reach the firmware update menu.

 

[apx]

Is it sufficient to connect the speaker to my switch somewhere in my network, toggle it to network mode and start it? I tried it like this but my router (Unifi box) does not see it, yet. Do I need to connect an audio input to the speaker?

Just worked... apparently I have to connect both to reach the firmware update menu.

yes, also just hung it to my switch and yes have network mode activated on the backside

 

[andlum]

yes, also just hung it to my switch and yes have network mode activated on the backside

Thx! Just to be sure again: was this standby issue solved for most of the users in this update?

 

[apx]

Thx! Just to be sure again: was this standby issue solved for most of the users in this update?

seems so far. ma1 version history pdf is back from may which is ofc missing the changes in 2.3.2, respective v1.1.11 for the 120 II. time will tell.

 

[andlum]

seems so far. ma1 version history pdf is back from may which is ofc missing the changes in 2.3.2, respective v1.1.11 for the 120 II. time will tell.

Mh I updated the speakers to 1.1.11, let them go to standby yesterday afternoon and this morning only one wake up from standby again. Sounds like I need to ask Thomann for a replacement or repair.

 

[jackyzero]

Mh I updated the speakers to 1.1.11, let them go to standby yesterday afternoon and this morning only one wake up from standby again. Sounds like I need to ask Thomann for a replacement or repair.

mabe you need see this。

Strange issue with Neumann KH 750

Hello all, This is my first post here, so please let me know if I am posting in the wrong forum. Last month, I got a Neumann KH 750 DSP + MA-1 calibration microphone. I am using the KH 750 (and calibration) with my Genelec 8020D, and thus far, the whole system has been working great. I've...

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[andlum]

mabe you need see this。

Strange issue with Neumann KH 750

Hello all, This is my first post here, so please let me know if I am posting in the wrong forum. Last month, I got a Neumann KH 750 DSP + MA-1 calibration microphone. I am using the KH 750 (and calibration) with my Genelec 8020D, and thus far, the whole system has been working great. I've...

audiosciencereview.com

Thx, I connect the speakers via a RCA - XLR cable. I tweaked the output settings (i think they have been to high). According to the manual that’s also better for the standby signal detection.

My last test was indeed successful, but it feels not very stable.

 

[Bambo]

Amanero Italian USB Interface Card Cpld Spdif I2S DSD512 Dop128 Coaxial Output Signal Processing And Conversion for bit-perfect playback

Hello everyone! I bought the same interface. I connected it simply from USB, and also used an external 7 volt power supply. I tested it on various reference songs, switched from the analog input to the spdif several times. Honestly, I did not hear any difference. Unfortunately, it was not possible to involve anyone else in the test. I write music, I have a some listening experience, I think I was not mistaken in that there is no difference between analog and SPDIF. The analog input comes from the Audient ID4 MKII interface. As far as I know, Audient has good DA converter, maybe that's why there is no difference in sound

 

[apx]

maybe that's why there is no difference in sound

the only reason to use digital connections are practical, like the fact you can use less cables or already existing digital outputs on your hardware and you can't create a ground loop.
With a balanced connection and halfway good converters there are virtually no measurable differences between an analog or digital connection.

 

[vamp]

the only reason to use digital connections are practical, like the fact you can use less cables or already existing digital outputs on your hardware and you can't create a ground loop.
With a balanced connection and halfway good converters there are virtually no measurable differences between an analog or digital connection.

Not correct, this speakers do analog to digital and then back to analog conversion when using XLR. And there is just one final conversion from digital to analog when using SPDIF. It cannot be the same.
I can clearly hear the difference using SPDIF and Motu m2 analog outputs. However to be honest I don't clearly hear the difference between SPDIF from Komplete Audio 6 MK2 and that Amanero device, yet it should be as it was proven that better clock transistor do less jitter, and jitter is audible.

 

[apx]

I can clearly hear the difference

then you must have some problems with your hardware or you are biased by expectations ‍

 

[somebodyelse]

Not correct, this speakers do analog to digital and then back to analog conversion when using XLR. And there is just one final conversion from digital to analog when using SPDIF. It cannot be the same.
I can clearly hear the difference using SPDIF and Motu m2 analog outputs. However to be honest I don't clearly hear the difference between SPDIF from Komplete Audio 6 MK2 and that Amanero device, yet it should be as it was proven that better clock transistor do less jitter, and jitter is audible.

With a decent ADC the difference in a single round of DAC->ADC shouldn't be audible. We can see that from the good loopback measurements of the USB audio interfaces. A few years back there was a thread with ABX for original and 8th generation (I think) via a MOTU 8A interface that you could track down if you want to see for yourself.
Whether jitter in spdif is audible depends on how the receiving end handles it. Many now are quite insensitive, as we have seen from measurements, although some drop signal lock entirely when presented with high jitter sources like TVs. We haven't seen any measurement of the Neumann's sensitivity to jitter.

 

[vamp]

then you must have some problems with your hardware or you are biased by expectations ‍

So if you don't hear something than there is a problem with another person's hardware that might be on another continent or his biased expectations, and ADC-DAC-ADC is no different than DAC-ADC, simple 3 or 50000 conversions are the same as 2 - I got you right?

 

[apx]

So if you don't hear something than there is a problem with another person's hardware that might be on another continent or his biased expectations, and ADC-DAC-ADC is no different than DAC-ADC, simple 3 or 50000 conversions are the same as 2 - I got you right?

my point is, with the adcs and dacs nowadays used in the gear, there is not even a relevant measurably difference anymore. math and physics cannot lie, our subjective perception can. especially hearing.
so something is not working as it should, or our brains tricked us (like all the time actually).

 

[SorenTyson]

So if you don't hear something than there is a problem with another person's hardware that might be on another continent or his biased expectations, and ADC-DAC-ADC is no different than DAC-ADC, simple 3 or 50000 conversions are the same as 2 - I got you right?

How do you conclude that if one conversion is inaudible, then so are 50,000

 

[vamp]

my point is, with the adcs and dacs nowadays used in the gear, there is not even a relevant measurably difference anymore. math and physics cannot lie, our subjective perception can. especially hearing.
so something is not working as it should, or our brains tricked us (like all the time actually).

So Neumann, Genelec, Adam and others add digital input just to raise the final cost of the equipment and repel customers, and 3 or 100000 = 2 as math and physics cannot lie.

How do you conclude that if one conversion is inaudible, then so are 50,000

Inaudible or you can't hear it? There is a tiny-tiny difference, you know, just like between 3 and 2. Not for everyone as wee see, but still.

 

[Bambo]

I forgot to say that I took a hearing test and I can't hear above 16.5 kHz. I'm writing this for objectivity. Maybe in SPDIF there is something distinguishable from analog at the very top, above 16 kHz. And those who hear these frequencies feel the difference between analog and SPDIF. Just thoughts