Verges on paranoia? May be you are getting a little sensitive on this topic now for some reasons.
All I am trying to say so far is that you did not compare SR8012 vs X4800H vs Cinema 70 under the same conditions, based on the way you described how you did it in you posts. For the 8012 and 4800, you involved using the 4800's pre out via the 7.1 analog input to drive the power amps of the 8012, am I wrong? I thought you confirmed that's how you did it. So, in that case you were using the preamp of the 4800+the preamp of the 8012 and the power amp of the 8012 to compare the X4800H AVR. When you add the Cinema 70 in the mix, you even mentioned stereo vs direct and was unclear about whether Audyssey was on or off. That's not really apples to apples is it? If it isn't then why even asked those questions, of course they could sound different to you.I have never said you did not hear what you did not hear. If I remember right, I thought I have even said I believed you, but the narrative of how you heard one have wide soundstage vs the other one's narrow, and many other differences you described, were heard when the comparisons were not done under the exact same conditions. Lastly, the differences you and yes, others heard are what you and the others heard, but it may or may not be the same that yet many others might hear when compared under the same conditions or different conditions. It should be easy to understand no two AVRs will sound the same if they are compared under different conditions, however small the differences may be. So, that's all I am saying, no denial or challenge of what you heard or not heard, not at all, so what's the paranoia?
As to the often-mentioned sighted vs double blind or single blind test, I am not the expert, but can you at least try to understand why people, even the highly respected Dr. Olive and Dr. Toole advocate the use of such comparison test protocols? Do those PhDs in this field who have conducted lots of research and have many published papers also verge on Paranoia, when they didn't care too much about sighted listening tests? There are multiple threads on ASR and other forums on sighted vs blind, if you are interested to read what others have to say, but I guess you are far more interested in what others subjective measurements are, apparently only to those who's opinions aligned with yours. For example, if someone tells you they have their SR8002 and X4800H side by side and in direct mode, sounded no difference when compared under the same conditions such as in 2 channel music using your favorite pieces, would you then also believe them? I guess not, but then I could be wrong too.
Again, be very clear, I won't (not even try to) debate you on the topic of subjective vs objective tests, but simply highlighting the fact that you did not do your subjective comparison tests under the same conditions. If you had done the test on apples-to-apples basis and still heard the same differences as you described in your multiple posts, then I would just say based on your subjective reviews the duts sounded different in the way you described, no problem, case closed.
Anyway, I tried to be very patient and objective in trying to answer some of your questions (you asked and I tried to answer some of them), but it seems to me you just did not bother reading my posts, and instead, seemed to be getting defensive now. So, I do not think there is any point to continue as I would be repeating things.
That has no relevance to things I said in my posts.
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