Nope, try to find A-S700 for cheap and pair it with great DSP.The new replacement for N-803 is N-800A which is now going for $999, there are few used N-803 units in $800+ range most from Japan which carries the risk of serviceability. Besides the features and cosmetic changes, does the new model do better in audio quality? something similar to quality offered by A-S701/801.
I purchased a A-S701, however I am finding all the workarounds one need to do to get a good quality integration for modern times (less physical players and more digital sources) is daunting. Even with miniDSP + Umik etc. it adds up $500+ cost on top of the amp and time spent to learn SW/integration is not trivial. If there was a good DSP that is user friendly to implement and has reliable interface I would probably keep the A-S701. Thoughts?Nope, try to find A-S700 for cheap and pair it with great DSP.
Use Roon as your source and do your dsp there, or Wiim? You shouldn't need more than 4 filters to fix the worst room nodes, all of which will be under 200Hz.I purchased a A-S701, however I am finding all the workarounds one need to do to get a good quality integration for modern times (less physical players and more digital sources) is daunting. Even with miniDSP + Umik etc. it adds up $500+ cost on top of the amp and time spent to learn SW/integration is not trivial. If there was a good DSP that is user friendly to implement and has reliable interface I would probably keep the A-S701. Thoughts?
It's got a pre out / power in?Nope, try to find A-S700 for cheap and pair it with great DSP.
Roon starts at $1400 (and looks like out of stock)Use Roon as your source and do your dsp there, or Wiim? You shouldn't need more than 4 filters to fix the worst room nodes, all of which will be under 200Hz.
I'm referring to the software, not their hardware. You can subscribe monthly to it and install it onto a PC. It can connect to multiple "Roon ready" devices as end points, but it has a really comprehensive DSP suite.Roon starts at $1400 (and looks like out of stock)
Well then it adds more, Dirac will work rather fine. Get a MiniDSP Flex HT and plug WiiM mini to it. WiiM alone can handle one to two room modes and one or two peeks but it will hardly be enough, eventually if you are lucky (regarding room and placement).I purchased a A-S701, however I am finding all the workarounds one need to do to get a good quality integration for modern times (less physical players and more digital sources) is daunting. Even with miniDSP + Umik etc. it adds up $500+ cost on top of the amp and time spent to learn SW/integration is not trivial. If there was a good DSP that is user friendly to implement and has reliable interface I would probably keep the A-S701. Thoughts?
Didn't get you there? You meen loop? What ti have is best unbalanced analog inputs Yamaha has to offer and you probably can find used one's for less than 250 $/€ or around 500 for a new if you are lucky to find one. Amplifier is the same with newer A-S 70x/80x line.It's got a pre out / power in?
It's a garbage even compared to much cheaper JRiver and far less usable but I whose talking about stand alone ADC-DSP-DAC with very good performance and 4 to 8 output chenels.I'm referring to the software, not their hardware. You can subscribe monthly to it and install it onto a PC. It can connect to multiple "Roon ready" devices as end points, but it has a really comprehensive DSP suite.
Are you saying Roon is garbage? I've not heard / read that claim anywhere, and Amir uses it for corrections (if that means anything)It's a garbage even compared to much cheaper JRiver and far less usable but I whose talking about stand alone ADC-DSP-DAC with very good performance and 4 to 8 output chenels.
Can't be applied to everything, doesn't have equal loudness, work's much worse (use a lot more CPU resources for nothing) and of course costs more (much more over the time) and now it's a part of Samsung so who knows what will happen with it. Actually even EQ-APO is better and costs nothing at all.Are you saying Roon is garbage? I've not heard / read that claim anywhere, and Amir uses it for corrections (if that means anything)
Wiim have already confirmed they will add at least 2, possibly 4 more filters. That's more than enough to mitigate the worst room acoustics. I use 4 channels to eliminate the biggest spike / trough in my room and makes a huge difference. Far more than swapping a as501 for an as700 I'll bet.Well then it adds more, Dirac will work rather fine. Get a MiniDSP Flex HT and plug WiiM mini to it. WiiM alone can handle one to two room modes and one or two peeks but it will hardly be enough, eventually if you are lucky (regarding room and placement).
Didn't get you there? You meen loop? What ti have is best unbalanced analog inputs Yamaha has to offer and you probably can find used one's for less than 250 $/€ or around 500 for a new if you are lucky to find one. Amplifier is the same with newer A-S 70x/80x line.
EQ APO only works in the Windows kernel process though, so not much use for exclusive / direct output? I looked at it a while ago and dismissed it.Can't be applied to everything, doesn't have equal loudness, work's much worse (use a lot more CPU resources for nothing) and of course costs more (much more over the time) and now it's a part of Samsung so who knows what will happen with it. Actually even EQ-APO is better and costs nothing at all.
Well probably 4 PEQ's are enough for one room mode and two peaks (which is exactly what you have), but no not even comprehensive PEQ (with all filters) and infinite numbers of filters is enough. As long as you don't use high pass (and sub's) loop will work and yes A-S700 have old fashion one with mechanical input source selector for it. I do digital crossovers for the sub's (of course use high pass on mains) and lot's and lot's of stuff.Wiim have already confirmed they will add at least 2, possibly 4 more filters. That's more than enough to mitigate the worst room acoustics. I use 4 channels to eliminate the biggest spike / trough in my room and makes a huge difference. Far more than swapping a as501 for an as700 I'll bet.
Pre out / main in is a loop yes. You need that to add MiniDSP device for example. Tbh, I'm happy using Roon or Wiim to make the corrections, I'm not after perfection, I just want to eliminate 3 obvious bass spikes that I have, most likely due to floppy floors and hollow walls.
@ZolaIII can you please elaborate this point (helps this new to amplifier user). There is no pre-out on A-S701, but the N800A has pre-out to connect DSP's etc.Didn't get you there? You meen loop? What ti have is best unbalanced analog inputs Yamaha has to offer and you probably can find used one's for less than 250 $/€ or around 500 for a new if you are lucky to find one. Amplifier is the same with newer A-S 70x/80x line.
MiniDSP FLex HT alone is $600 + Wiim mini $89 - for an extra $300 I can get a new N-800A which comes with room correction. What I would like to know is the internal amplifier setup of N800A is it same as A-S701. Means will I get S701 quality with N8000a.Well then it adds more, Dirac will work rather fine. Get a MiniDSP Flex HT and plug WiiM mini to it. WiiM alone can handle one to two room modes and one or two peeks but it will hardly be enough, eventually if you are lucky (regarding room and placement).
thanks, looked up their SW suite looks nice. I am not sure if I have a use case right now to pay monthly subscription. Major feature I want now is to be able to do room correction which YAPO can handle.I'm referring to the software, not their hardware. You can subscribe monthly to it and install it onto a PC. It can connect to multiple "Roon ready" devices as end points, but it has a really comprehensive DSP suite.