WiiM Ultra

[JaccoW]

Another potential option for Genelecs. Has AES/EBU out.

Fiio S15, due soon™ with a rumored price tag of under 1000.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0241wtxcu7AALo9qmWwNk8Y3K5TpMChZUxDt2FCFws7r8QuCr6Ts2X3bxd44P2yArWl&id=100064482828434

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[Pearljam5000]

Under $1000?
Could be $999 lol

 

[tw99]

Under $1000?
Could be $999 lol

Yes, certainly looks more Eversolo price range than WiiM

 

[Smitty2k1]

Under $1000?
Could be $999 lol

it would 100% be $999 if the company themselves say "under $1000"

 

[darth]

Per the Facebook thread, they have now officially said "around $1000" so can be more, like their K19 dac. They been replying to people asking.

EDIT: Data point: They said around 1400 for K19 and it came in actually at 1299. So dunno lol

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Release date they say Oct or Nov

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834795642390298715

 

[James240]

Decided to add a pair of Genelec G3 to my ever growing setup all good to just use lineout on the ultra to connect them?

Looks like i need to get a single RCA stereo for each Genelec R/L speaker? as all my RCA cables are 2 headed red/white ones.

 

[harkpabst]

Looks like i need to get a single RCA stereo for each Genelec R/L speaker? as all my RCA cables are 2 headed red/white ones.

Many (but not all) van be stripped apart rather easily. OTOH buying new bales makes many listeners happy.

 

[Jeromeof]

This looks amazing. Why are you telling me about now that I already ordered the WiiM?
I only wonder about the software, for WiiM I heard a lot of very good things. FiiO I can't tell, in my head the fact that it's android based is a red flag, but maybe it's not so bad.

I would say it will be Android based (like the other FiiO Streaming devices) like the R7 and R9. Pity it hasn't got a a headphone jack on the front - but if that front USB works as DAC there are lots of simple headphone amplifiers to plug into it.

As an experiment with my WiiM Ultra I thought I would give it a Balanced headphone output using a little FiiO Headphone amp via its usb connection on the back:

 

[BSerg]

Hello everyone. Tell me, please: 1. Is it possible to turn off the screen on Ultra, or can the screen turn off itself after a while? 2. How many PEQ bands exactly, 4 or 10? 3. Now I use a Chinese DAC and a D amplifier to watch TV and listen to music from my smartphone, but I want to use room correction. Do you think it's better to use Ultra for this, or is Pro Plus enough? Thank you.

 

[morillon]

Hello everyone. Tell me, please: 1. Is it possible to turn off the screen on Ultra, or can the screen turn off itself after a while? 2. How many PEQ bands exactly, 4 or 10? 3. Now I use a Chinese DAC and a D amplifier to watch TV and listen to music from my smartphone, but I want to use room correction. Do you think it's better to use Ultra for this, or is Pro Plus enough? Thank you.

for your use, including an external dac, just a "pro" not even more will be suitable ("plus " is only a pro with better dac)... but you are not kidding, the subject of "rc" is not an easy subject and the results depending on the situations, measurement conditions etc. not definitely conclusive...otherwise it will be generalized a long time ago.... ;-)
the "plus" an interest if removing your external dac.. and the ultra if the use of a subwoofer and hdmi
( and I will in any case wait a few months for the possible purchase of an ultra until revisions are carried out)
(peq is 10 bands in pro , plus , amp , ultra...useful for headphone correction etc)
(I will in any case wait a few months for the possible purchase of an ultra until revisions are carried out)

ps
if your speakers are not difficult to power ,
you describe a lot the use of a simple wiim amp.... you just have to wait for the announced revision (+few months)...
just forget the screen of the ultra (often described as a little small to be so useful)


;-)

 

[harkpabst]

1. Is it possible to turn off the screen on Ultra, or can the screen turn off itself after a while?

You can turn it off completely. I don't think there's an option, yet, to let it go to sleep after a defined period of time. Might come later, perhaps or perhaps not.

2. How many PEQ bands exactly, 4 or 10?

10 bands. Either 10 bands applied to both channels simultaneously or - if you prefer that - 10 bands per channel. As of now, the WiiM automated room correction supports simultaneous L+R channel PEQ, only. Independent channel room correction is currently in public beta (but has just been broken with version 2.11.6 of the WiiM Home App. It will surely be fixed with the next release, but might still take some time until it makes it into the production firmware.

3. Now I use a Chinese DAC and a D amplifier to watch TV and listen to music from my smartphone, but I want to use room correction.

If you can use third party software like REW or HouseCurve, all of the above talk about stereo or L+R RC doesn't matter anyway. You can manually set the PEQ filters, then either per channel or combined.

If you want to rely on a simple automated process for RC, then - as pointed out by @morillon - you should be aware of its limitations. Depending on your room and your (phone's) mic the results may be beneficial or not so much. In any case it makes sense to restrict the frequency range RC is working on.

WiiM's default is rather on the generous side (40 Hz to 4 kHz), but you can easily limit this range further. Also, max Q (default: 10) and max gain (default: 10 dB) are a bit on the high side, but (again) can be changed easily.

In one sentence: Be prepared to play around and tinker a little.

 

[morillon]

there is obvious confusion....
the large part of the public concerned by these products is not aware of the limits of the difficulties of implementation, and of the often relative effectiveness, sometimes even "at least good"... the rc in two clicks on his phone, the "absolute weapon" is not for the moment... that will be known...
and the DSPs have been present for decades...
(but the effectiveness and the interest even if not so simple either, is more evident on the headsets... a sacred democratization... and the general public and inexpensive wiim products are very interesting on this point.. even a simple "pro ")

(the absence of multicaptures mmm etc on the wiim rc is really a weakness at the moment and not so much suggested...)

(but thanks to rew!)

 

[morillon]

you should especially consider the revision of the amp in the future... the screen is not necessarily that useful and... future fragility in addition...
(and to be honest, even if I can be a little surprised... the integration of the power supply in the ultra or the amp is a bit much regrettable... scalability, reliability, after-sales service etc....)

 

[BSerg]

Thank you all very much. I want to use ultra or pro plus instead of DAC. I have UMIK1 and REW. With Wiim, I want to remove the resonances of the room. Do you think the sound will be better if you use HDMI ARC instead of Toslink?

 

[BSerg]

You can turn it off completely. I don't think there's an option yet for it to go to sleep after a certain period of time. Maybe later, maybe, maybe not.


10 bands. Either 10 bands applied to both channels simultaneously, or - if you prefer - 10 bands per channel. At the moment, WiiM's automatic room correction only supports simultaneous L+R channel PEQ. Independent channel room correction is currently in public beta (but was broken in version 2.11.6 of the WiiM Home app). This will likely be fixed in the next release, but it may take some time before it makes it into production firmware.


If you can use third party software like REW or HouseCurve, all the above about stereo or L+R RC doesn't matter. You can manually adjust the PEQ filters, then either per channel or combined.

If you want to rely on a simple automated process for RC, then - as @morillon pointed out - you should be aware of its limitations. Depending on your room and microphone (phone), the results may or may not be useful. In any case, it makes sense to limit the frequency range in which RC works.

By default, the WiiM is quite generous (40Hz to 4kHz), but you can easily limit this range even further. Also, max Q (default: 10) and max gain (default: 10dB) are a bit high, but (again) they can be easily changed.

In one sentence: be prepared to play and tinker a little.

Translated by mod .

Thanks. This is exactly what I want to play with. As far as I understand, autocorrect only works on Apple, and I have Android, so I will use umik1 and REW.

 

[staticV3]

Do you think the sound will be better if you use HDMI ARC instead of Toslink?

The sound will stay the same, but with ARC you can control volume using your TV remote, which is handy.

Спасибо. Это именно то, с чем я хочу поиграться. Насколько я понимаю, автокоррекция работает только на Apple, а у меня Android, поэтому я буду использовать umik1 и REW.

Automatic room correction works on Android as well, and you can even plug your UMIK into your Android phone for this.

However, WiiM's room correction algorithm still needs some improvement, so if you know how to do it manually using REW, that is preferred.

Also, please use english on ASR

 

[Jimbob54]

Translated by mod .

Thanks. This is exactly what I want to play with. As far as I understand, autocorrect only works on Apple, and I have Android, so I will use umik1 and REW.

I've translated this one but please post in English . Thanks

 

[Abdo]

However, WiiM's room correction algorithm still needs some improvement, so if you know how to do it manually using REW, that is preferred.

Please excuse my lack of knowledge, but what would it be like to use REW on the Wiim Ultra. Thanks.

 

[fuzzy_logic]

Hello everyone. Tell me, please: 1. Is it possible to turn off the screen on Ultra, or can the screen turn off itself after a while? 2. How many PEQ bands exactly, 4 or 10? 3. Now I use a Chinese DAC and a D amplifier to watch TV and listen to music from my smartphone, but I want to use room correction. Do you think it's better to use Ultra for this, or is Pro Plus enough? Thank you.

For your first question, there is a screen setting to allow the screen to sleep when there is no active input .

 

[Shorty]

@staticV3 ”…with ARC you can control volume using your TV remote, which is handy.”
If I’m not mistaken and unless this was rectified with an update, this would only have been possible with ‘eARC’, no?