active IEM's anyone?Oh! You had me excited there for awhile...
active IEM's anyone?Oh! You had me excited there for awhile...
Next collaboration proposal: basically the same tuning, but one or more additional divers for the treble to smoothen it out a bit more, $100 -$200, there should be a market for it.
In my state, they're legal, but in only one ear at a timeI believe it is illegal to drive with earbuds or HP's on here in backwards Tennessee, but like many laws isn't enforced. I see folks every day driving around w/ Airpods in their ears-maybe Apple should have painted them flesh-colored to cloak these wearers.
Yes, I know, but this is already considerably more expensive. Many people who are willing to spend that much money go directly to the Variations. There are now many very good IEMs below $100, even several below $50. I think if he could come up with a version like the Red, just with a smoother treble and be in the $100 - $200 range, this could be quite disruptive for the market.There is but it probably is best served by just having another model. Something to look forward to at the $300 price point is the upcoming Blessing 3: Dusk, which will also be tuned by Crinacle (1 DD + 4 BA).
When you say "smoother in the treble" what do you mean? I dont believe @amirm applies any smoothing and this is a single measurement, not averaged and it looks pretty damn smooth to me.Yes, I know, but this is already considerably more expensive. Many people who are willing to spend that much money go directly to the Variations. There are now many very good IEMs below $100, even several below $50. I think if he could come up with a version like the Red, just with a smoother treble and be in the $100 - $200 range, this could be quite disruptive for the market.
All the measurements I have seen (Amir's GRAS, Crinacle's B&K5128, 711 (crinacle, HBB, Gizaudio,...)) show the magnitude response quite uneven between 6kHz and about 15kHZ. I know that the measurements are not so reliable in that region, but still, there are other IEMs, especially those with additional drivers for the treble (BA, EST,...), that are much more controlled and target compliant without major resonances.When you say "smoother in the treble" what do you mean? I dont believe @amirm applies any smoothing and this is a single measurement, not averaged and it looks pretty damn smooth to me.
Which models were you thinking of ? A quick look at some big names (I know- popularity or price doesnt equal performance, but...)All the meaurements I have seen (Amir's GRAS, Crinacle's B&K5128, 711 (crinacle, HBB, Gizaudio,...)) show the magnitude response quite uneven between 6kHz and about 15kHZ. I know that the measurements are not so reliable in that region, but still, there are other IEMs, especially those with additional drivers for the treble (BA, EST,...), that are much more controlled and target compliant without major resonances.
Well, you just pasted graphs of some IEMs there. I did not mean any of these, even if most of them are quite expensive, which means, as you correctly mentioned, nothing.Which models were you thinking of ? A quick look at some big names (I know- popularity or price doesnt equal performance, but...) View attachment 288201View attachment 288204EDIT- noticed you had mentioned the Variations so added the second graph- I woudnt like to say which was "smoother" but the Variations is closer to Harman in the range you mention.
I just stated what I would like to have and at the same time think is missing for a lot of people really interested in sound quality, i.e. a well tuned IEM with Harman bass, less energy between 2 and 6 kHz than the Harman2019V2 target and smooth treble without big dips or resonances. All this well below $500. If I were doing collaborations, I would go for this.You should have more to go on before declaring something less smooth based on measurements, above 6kHz, alone. Let alone going on to provide design advice.
Still very happy with my Mangird Tea2s. What you described was pretty much what I was looking for back then.I just stated what I would like to have and and at the same time think is missing for a lot of people really interested in sound quality, a well tuned IEM with Harman bass, less energy between 2 and 6 kHz than the Harman2019V2 target and smooth treble without big dips or resonances. All this well below $500. If I were doing collaborations, I would go for this.
This YouTuber's a pretty well-known troll. Any video by him is an immediate ignore.What the heck is he doing? He is eq'ing his own IEMs with the measurements of RED??? He can't do that for all the reasons we have mentioned: the measurements lose accuracy especially above 10 kHz. And some of his tracks are real head scratchers:
How does he know the real tonality of this completely looped and synthesized track?
It's the opposite of brain freeze . Serious, aside... our brain's burn-in is natural. Over time, the brain adopts certain conditions that are not too extreme of course.Brain burn-in sounds dangerous.
Thanks, but I am not really on the search, quite happy with what I have (more than enough), just interested in the topic and how the market develops.But the Aful has anything but smooth treble in that graph. My question to you was what do you mean by smooth treble. But this discussion is going nowhere so good luck in your search.
Aful looks smoother to me. The wobbles in the Aful are very low variances and are not audible to me. I haven't heard the Red yet but the resonance peaks are a lot higher, it goes both higher in the peaks and and lower in the dips. I don't think the Red looks enormously problematic or anything and usual caveats about IEC-711 measurements over the insertion resonance but if we are specifically talking about the Aful vs Red treble over 6kHz on "that graph" specifically, the Aful does look smoother in that region, on "that graph". Variations is also smoother, and this is one of the things it is most often compared as an improvement on the Blessing2, it is smoother in the treble. B3 (which I haven't heard) is from accounts also smoother than the B2 in the treble, and there are hints of that in the graphs too.But the Aful has anything but smooth treble in that graph. My question to you was what do you mean by smooth treble. But this discussion is going nowhere so good luck in your search.
Deleted my post but you'd already quoted it. Not much point debating smoothness. I get what they mean now, kind of. Be interesting to read what people think of the Red treble when they get them.Aful looks smoother to me. The wobbles in the Aful are very low variances and are not audible to me. I haven't heard the Red yet but the resonance peaks are a lot higher, it goes both higher in the peaks and and lower in the dips. I don't think the Red looks enormously problematic or anything and usual caveats about IEC-711 measurements over the insertion resonance but if we are specifically talking about the Aful vs Red treble over 6kHz on "that graph" specifically, the Aful does look smoother in that region, on "that graph".
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Point taken. Enjoy your listening.Thanks, but I am not really on the search, quite happy with what I have (more than enough), just interested in the topic and how the market develops.
To the point, last try, if you look at the graph and assuming one can trust the measurements, the Red has a steep fall after about 12 kHZ, which neither the Variations nor the Aful Performer 5 exhibit (or only well above 15kHZ), a kind of resonance.
That was exactly what I was trying to say. Sure, these are tiny differences and one has to have good hearing abilities in the treble to perceive it, but still we are here taking about high fidelity, right?Aful looks smoother to me. The wobbles in the Aful are very low variances and are not audible to me. I haven't heard the Red yet but the resonance peaks are a lot higher, it goes both higher in the peaks and and lower in the dips. I don't think the Red looks enormously problematic or anything and usual caveats about IEC-711 measurements over the insertion resonance but if we are specifically talking about the Aful vs Red treble over 6kHz on "that graph" specifically, the Aful does look smoother in that region, on "that graph". Variations is also smoother, and this is one of the things it is most often compared as an improvement on the Blessing2, it is smoother in the treble. B3 (which I haven't heard) is from accounts also smoother than the B2 in the treble, and there are hints of that in the graphs too.
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I'm in this camp, my favourite 'budget' IEM at the moment is the P1 Max Panda, highly underrated IEM, perfect tuning in the 2-6kHz region, so glad Tinhifi choose to go against the grain for this Planer, no offence to Crinacle but I'm not sure why the Red is being held up as an important contrary to the IE Harman target when other IEMs have done a better job in my opinion, there is obviously a large group of people out there that are just tired of the 2-6kHz region bleeding thier ears, even Resolve from The Headphone Show said in his review of the Red, and I quote, "I do still think the upper mids could do with a littler bit of extra refinement here, in particular around 4kHz", Resolve is bang on here, and it's no surprise why he is a big fan of the 64 Audio U12t that is better tuned in the region.I just stated what I would like to have and at the same time think is missing for a lot of people really interested in sound quality, i.e. a well tuned IEM with Harman bass, less energy between 2 and 6 kHz than the Harman2019V2 target and smooth treble without big dips or resonances. All this well below $500. If I were doing collaborations, I would go for this.