Yes they do hurt out of the box. Which Velvet tips are you referring to?I have found these and most iems to be very tip sensitive. The nozzles on these are really narrow by most standards, and I have left a tip in my ear more than once. They sound very different with XELASTECs versus velvets on them. Velvets really seem to back down the sometimes brightness, and bring in some much needed base. Listening to them with anything that shipped with them just hurts.