Marantz's own, not sure if others have done it.By who?
Marantz's own, not sure if others have done it.By who?
Sorry meant other AVRs like AV10/A1H. No cinema 30 measurements afaikBy who?
Ah ah of course the manufacturer measured their products, but we need independent and trustworthy testing done by Amir or Gene!Marantz's own, not sure if others have done it.
Fully agreed, though in this case, if I need an AVR right now I would not wait for them, because Marantz has a good track record so far based on their own measurements on the AV10 and SR8015 that are very consistent with Gene and Amir's. If one can wait, then sure, sooner or later it will get measured by Gene or Amir.Ah ah of course the manufacturer measured their products, but we need independent and trustworthy testing done by Amir or Gene!
Width is 56,5 cm inside and height is 20,5 cm. What is Marantz guidance? You dont think it will be enough to open the door while in use?How much clearance around the sides and top? I can imagine it might get very warm in there . Perhaps a fan would help to extract the hot air … I would stick to Marantz’s guidance on clearance gaps.
Width is 56,5 cm inside and height is 20,5 cm. What is Marantz guidance? You dont think it will be enough to open the door while in use?
With the holes at the back and nothing to force the warm air out of them, I imagine it will just hang around the unit and get progressively hotter. Agree a fan would help expel the warm air .Width is 56,5 cm inside and height is 20,5 cm. What is Marantz guidance? You dont think it will be enough to open the door while in use?
With the holes at the back and nothing to force the warm air out of them, I imagine it will just hang around the unit and get progressively hotter. Agree a fan would help expel the warm air .
Good find!Yesterday we were considering the potential for Marantz to replace the smaller processor, the AV7706. I remembered listening to something and I found it: Phil Jones hints that it may be possible. Gene talked to him around a month ago (52:40) and it may actually happen.
It they re-use the chassis of the Cinema 30, we can esentially expect an 11 to 13 channel processor and all the performance of the AV10. Not a bad deal, to be honest.
What dual channel dac, you mean the 2 channel dac ics such as the ES9018K2M used in the AV10 and A1H?Good find!
Obviously everything can change depending how they sell currently but if and it’s a big if it comes out with dual channel DACs and not cost much more than C30 - I’m interested. Otherwise C30 (when it gets Dirac ART update).
Yes precisely. Otherwise there is no reason other than balanced outputs to get 13 channel processor, considering c30 performance in preamp sectionWhat dual channel dac, you mean the 2 channel dac ics such as the ES9018K2M used in the AV10 and A1H?
But that's what it was for the old AV7705/7706 vs SR7015.Yes precisely. Otherwise there is no reason other than balanced outputs to get 13 channel processor, considering c30 performance in preamp section
Spec wise the difference between them is indistinguishable- you wouldn’t notice the difference yourself. But I believe there is a difference between running a stereo signal through dual 8 channel DAC - if DAC is very good it can sound brilliant but it’s different when running 11 channels through them. You lose that detail. This is my subjective feeling about it, and since they chose this approach in the flagships there must be something to it, some measurable crosstalk.But that's what it was for the old AV7705/7706 vs SR7015.
And, I doubt they would use the same dac chips exclusive used for the top model. They might use the ES9010K2M used in the AV8805A that repaced the AK4490 after the AKM factory fire, but those 2 ch stereo dac chips have lower specs than the new 8 ch ES9017 used in the C30.
The flagship Anthem AVM90 also used 8 ch ES9038Pro, one of the top ESS dac chips. 2 ch dac chips are not always better.
Marantz and Denon chose the 2 CH versions but those are much cheaper on per channel basis, so I think more likely cost saving is the main reason.Spec wise the difference between them is indistinguishable- you wouldn’t notice the difference yourself. But I believe there is a difference between running a stereo signal through dual 8 channel DAC - if DAC is very good it can sound brilliant but it’s different when running 11 channels through them. You lose that detail. This is my subjective feeling about it, and since they chose this approach in the flagships there must be something to it, some measurable crosstalk.
This being a processor doubt they would price it below C30. If the only thing they would do is add balanced outputs - this will be DOA. Also I do believe there would be more work involved in designing C30 without amp section than limiting number of channels on AV10. Dunno will see
If they did sell it for 1k less sure it would work. But somehow processors have a tendency of being more expensive than matching AVRs. So wouldn’t bet on it.Marantz and Denon chose the 2 CH versions but those are much cheaper on per channel basis, so I think more likely cost saving is the main reason.
Arcam, Anthem, Yamaha used the 8 channel chips. The ES9038Pro cost much more, again, on per channel basis.
Regardless, the dac chip is not the bottleneck, so imo if they simply use the C30, without the power amp section, use a much smaller PS, add balanced outputs, may be a pair obt the f stereo inputs, and sell the lower model AV for $1,000 less than the C30, they should compete well with Anthem, Yamaha, Monolith, Emotiva and even the lower Arcam models AVPs.
By the way, the AVR-X1800H, Cinema 70 also uses 2 channel dac chips.
I need your inputs here. I think I have finaly made up my mind, the C30 will be my next AVR, but...
I have built a TV furniture from IKEA stuff, its housing/frame.
The frame is 53cm in deepth inside.
If i measure everyting correct the C30 will fit and a HDMI cable pointing out in the back as well, am I correct?
Dimensions / Weight CINEMA 30
manuals.marantz.com
I will NOT have the door closed when using it, to have airflow, it will be open while listening. The IKEA frame is closed in the back, but three large holes has been cut out, for some air. My main concern is if it will fit and the HDMI as well, or will it be too big?