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Comparison of Dirac Live Bass Control (DLBC) and Dirac ART for all known AVRs/Processors

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Intro:
- Decided to dedicate my own thread to this.
- Taken from my previous post from Thread "Dirac ART is now running on beta FW for Denon Xx800H AVRs!"

Terminology:
Dirac has 3 different room correction technologies, you can purchase, depending on hardware:
- Dirac Live (DL)
- Dirac Live Bass Control (DLBC)
- Dirac Active Room Treatment (ART)

Comparing Dirac's technology (DL vs DLBC vs ART):
YouTube video talks about the differences.
In this video, Storm Audio talks with Dirac Live representative.
Screenshots from 54min and 55min mark.
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DLBC (Single Sub License):
Table 1: AVRs only (no Processors)
ManufacturerModelDiscontinuedDirac.com linkPrices in USD
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Mfg linkChannelsAmir's Review
ArcamAVR5Link1690 audioadvice
1690 crutchfield
n/a bhphotovideo
1690 bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link12.1 ch preamp
7 ch amp
ArcamAVR10YesLink2200 crutchfield
n/a audioadvice
n/a bhphotovideo
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link11.2 ch preamp
7 ch amp
Link
ArcamAVR11Link2440 audioadvice
2440 crutchfield
n/a bhphotovideo
2440 bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link11.2 ch preamp
7 ch amp

DLBC (Multi Sub License):
Table 1: AVRs only (no Processors)
ManufacturerModelDiscontinuedDirac.com LinkPrices in USD
-No affiliate
Mfg LinkChannelsAmir's Review
ArcamAVR20YesLink4400 audioadvice
n/a bhphotovideo
n/a crutchfield
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link16.1 ch preamp
7 ch amp
ArcamAVR21Link3760 crutchfield
3760 audioadvice
n/a bhphotovideo
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link16.1 ch preamp
7 ch amp
ArcamAVR30YesLinkn/a bhphotovideo
n/a crutchfield
n/a audioadvice
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link16.1 ch preamp
7 ch amp
ArcamAVR31Link5520 audioadvice
5520 crutchfield
n/a bhphotovideo
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link16.1 ch preamp
7 ch amp
DenonAVR-A1HLink6500 bhphotovideo
6500 audioadvice
6500 crutchfield
6500 bestbuy
6500 adorama
Link15.4 ch preamp
15 ch amp
DenonAVR-X3800HLink1700 bhphotovideo
1700 crutchfield
n/a audioadvice
1700 bestbuy
1700 adorama

WAS $900
Link11.4 ch preamp
9 ch amp
Link
DenonAVR-X4800H
Link
2500 bhphotovideo
2500 audioadvice
2500 crutchfield
2500 bestbuy
2500 adorama
Link11.4 ch preamp
9 ch amp
Link
DenonAVR-X6800HLink3500 denon

n/a bhphotovideo
n/a audioadvice
n/a crutchfield
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link11.4 ch preamp
11 ch amp
FocalAstral 16Link20k bhphotovideo
n/a audioadvice
n/a crutchfield
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link16 ch processing
12 ch amp
4 ch preamp via xlr
IntegraDRX-8.4Link3200 audioadvice
3200 crutchfield
n/a bhphotovideo
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link11.4 ch preamp
11 ch amp
MarantzCinema 40Link3500 audioadvice
3500 crutchfield
3500 bhphotovideo
3500 bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link11.4 ch preamp
9 ch amp
Link
MarantzCinema 50Link2500 audioadvice
2500 crutchfield
2500 bhphotovideo
2500 bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link11.4 ch preamp
9 ch amp
OnkyoTX-RZ70Link2800 audioadvice
2800 crutchfield
2800 bhphotovideo
n/a bestbuy
2800 adorama
Link11.2 ch preamp
11 ch amp
PioneerVSA-LX805Linkn/a audioadvice
n/a crutchfield
n/a bhphotovideo
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link11.4 ch preamp
11 ch amp
Pioneer / EliteVSX-LX805Link3000 bhphotovideo
n/a audioadvice
n/a crutchfield
3000 bestbuy
3000 adorama
Link11.4 ch preamp
11 ch amp

Table 2: Processors only (no AVRs)
ManufacturerModelDiscontinuedDirac.com LinkPrices in USD
-No affiliate
Mfg LinkChannelsAmir's Review
ArcamAV40YesLink4950 audioadvice
n/a bhphotovideo
n/a crutchfield
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link16 ch preamp
Receiver allows up to 4 subs to be
connected to the 'SUB' or
'Ch13/14/15/16' outputs.
Link
ArcamAV41Link4200 audioadvice
4200 crutchfield
n/a bhphotovideo
n/a bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link16 ch preamp
Receiver allows up to 4 subs to be
connected to the 'SUB' or
'Ch13/14/15/16' outputs.
BrystonSP4Link13kLink16 ch preamp
MarantzAV10Link7000 audioadvice
7000 crutchfield
7000 bhphotovideo
7000 bestbuy
n/a adorama
Link15.4 ch preampLink
MonopriceHTP-1Link4000 monopriceLink16 ch preamp
Up to 9 main level
channels, 6 upper/height channels,
and up to 5 subs.
Link

Table 3: Streaming DAC-preamplifier
ManufacturerModelInfoDiscontinuedDirac.com LinkPrices in USD
-No affiliate
Mfg LinkChannelsAmir's Review
NADM66-Announced May 2023
-Should be shipping since Nov 2023
N/a since the license is already activated by default5500 crutchfield
n/a audioadvice
n/a bhphotovideo
n/a adorama
n/a bestbuy
5500 listenup
Link2 channel
4 sub out (via balanced or unbalanced)

ART:
ManufacturerModelDiscontinuedDirac.com LinkPrices in USD
-No affiliate
Mfg linkChannelsAmir's Review
StormAudioISP Core 16Link25k-35kLink-audio outputs = 16ch analog (XLR)
-audio inputs = 4x RCA analog (7.1 or stereo)
-decoding = 16 decoding/upmixing channels
-processing = Up to 16ch
StormAudioISP Elite MK1YesLinkn/aLink-audio ouputs = 16ch, 24ch or 32ch analog (XLR) - optional
-audio inputs = 16ch digital (AES/EBU) - optional
-decoding = 24 decoding/upmixing channels
-processing = Up to 32ch
StormAudioISP Elite MK2YesLinkn/aLink-audio outputs = 16ch, 20ch or 32ch analog (XLR) - optional
-audio inputs = 16ch digital (AES/EBU) - optional
-decoding = 16 decoding/upmixing channels
-processing = Up to 32ch
Link
StormAudioISP Elite MK3Link18kLink-audio outputs = 16ch, 24ch or 32ch analog (XLR) - optional
-audio inputs = 16ch digital (AES/EBU) - optional
-decoding = 24 decoding/upmixing channels
-processing = Up to 32ch
StormAudioISP MasterI think soLinkn/aCouldnt findCouldnt find
StormAudioI.ISP 16.12I think soLinkn/aCouldnt findCouldnt find
StormAudioISR Fusion 20
-announced Sep 2023
n/a
since it includes
DL licenses already
32kLink-audio outputs = 16ch, analog amplified (5-way binding posts)
-audio inputs = 4x RCA analog (7.1 or stereo)
-decoding = 20 decoding / upmixing channels
-processing = Up to 20ch

Coming Soon (Rumors and Confirmed):
2. Monoprice HTP-1. Monoprice is currently beta testing ART, as of Sep 2023. (link).
4. NAD M66 will soon get ART. Link
5. AudioControl has several units that show DLBC should be available for their units, but I don't know whether the firmware is out, so i'm listing here
Processors:
-MAESTRO X7
-MAESTRO X9
-MAESTRO X7S
-MAESTRO X9S
AVRs:
-CONCERT XR-4
-CONCERT XR-6
-CONCERT XR-8
-CONCERT XR-6S
-CONCERT XR-8S
6. Source
“The ART beta testing phase is completed. ART is fully compatible with AVRs starting from X3800H and up and It's now up to Masimo to decide when to release the FW (It should be sometime this year after April).”
7. NAD T799
With 4 sub out and with ART.
Source

Current Promo:
Promo 1:
As of today, December 14, 2023, there is a Denon/Marantz deal for Dirac live Bass Control. See my links above for Dirac.com
UPDATE: "Launch offer valid until January 15th 2024" as per email confirmation from Dirac of one ASR user.
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Limitation of my thread:
My thread is intended to be a quick guide on which AVRs and/or Processors are capable of doing DLBC and ART.
It’s meant to save people time during the research phase, instead of hunting this info themselves.

There’s several good threads diving deeper into Dirac’s technology vs Audyssey vs other room correction systems, and users report their results/finding.
Both here at ASR and on AVSforum.

ASR:
- Active Room Treatment (ART) by Dirac
- Dirac ART is now running on beta FW for Denon Xx800H AVRs!

AVS Forum:
-The "OFFICIAL" 2022-23 MARANTZ AV 10 Flagship DIRAC Processor Owners' Thread

Changelog:
2023-12-05:
-Launched in another thread
2023-12-14:
-Launched its own thread
- Today, Denon/Marantz introduced DLBC for their AVRs/processors, so I updated my table to show the Dirac licenses can be purchased already.
- Included links to Amir's reviews, and upcoming review.
- Added Denon/Marantz firmware for ART, coming April 2024. (source).
- Added links to crutchfield, bhphotovideo, audioadvice, bestbuy
- Added section for 'notes' and 'current promo' and 'terminology'
- Added YouTube video that shows a comparison between Dirac Live vs DLBC vs Dirac ART
- Separated AVRs from Processors for Bass Control (multi sub license) into 2 tables
2023-12-16:
- Added adorama links
2023-12-18:
- Added 'coming soon' section, mentioned Denon AVR-X6800H.
- Combined 'notes' and 'coming soon' into "Coming Soon (Rumors and Confirmed)" section
- Added NAD M66 (featuring DLBC)
- Added 'limitation of my thread' section
2023-12-19:
- Added Marantz Cinema 40 review.
2024-01-06:
-Added notes about ART for Denon/Marantz
2023-01-09:
- Added Denon AVR-X6800H to the table, since it became available to purchase
2024-02-03:
- Added NAD T799 (to upcoming) (with 4 sub out and with ART)
 
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Anyone heard of anything about MiniDSP's support for Dirac Live Bass Control?
I see people are requesting it on their MiniDSP forums, but that's about it.
Is there any hope for MiniDSP users?

UPDATE:
Posted on Aug 05, 2023, the moderator of MiniDSP forums said:
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MiniDSP can't talk about upcoming products.

Oh well, I thought I would check anyway.
 
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Changelog:
2023-12-14:
-Launched its own thread
- Today, Denon/Marantz introduced DLBC for their AVRs/processors, so I updated my table to show the Dirac licenses can be purchased already.
- Included links to Amir's reviews, and upcoming review.
- Added Denon/Marantz firmware for ART, coming April 2024. (source).
- Added links to crutchfield, bhphotovideo, audioadvice, bestbuy
- Added section for 'notes' and 'current promo' and 'terminology'
- Added YouTube video that shows a comparison between Dirac Live vs DLBC vs Dirac ART
- Separated AVRs from Processors for Bass Control (multi sub license) into 2 tables
 
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Denon x3800h for US$900 (normally US$1700) or 47% off.

Deal is back:


Use coupon CYBEWE03 at payment stage, where it asks “Do you have a gift or promo code?”. Select that and enter coupon code, apply. The price gets adjusted.

This is one of the cheapest ways to get DLBC.
 

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Denon x3800h for US$900 (normally US$1700) or 47% off.

Deal is back:


Use coupon CYBEWE03 at payment stage, where it asks “Do you have a gift or promo code?”. Select that and enter coupon code, apply. The price gets adjusted.

This is one of the cheapest ways to get DLBC.
Supports Dirac Live, DLBC, likely ART in the future. Roon Ready. 11-channels of processing with 4 independent subwoofer outputs. Full 40 Gbps HDMI 2.1 across all 6 inputs. It's no joke, the X3800H is the best value AV pre-processor on the market bar none! Oh, and it comes with pretty good amps if you want them...
 
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By the way, Slickdeals shows Denon X4800H was previously:
US$1400 (posted on 2023-10-06)
US$1300 (posted on 2023-11-24)
both from adorama.com with coupon (similar to above deal).
So the $400 difference could be worthwhile to some of you, who are thinking of X4800H.

I've setup email alerts for all Adorama AVRs that have DLBC, just in case.

Looking into it.... Adorama sales are awesome!
x3800: $900 down from $1700 (47% off)
x4800: $1300 down from $2500 (48% off)
 
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Don't tempt me ..please.. Don't have any clear need for it but for future proofing ... AVR-X3400H still kicking... but at this price ? Damn!

Now .. about theis DIRAC stuff and hoping not be crapping in the thread..

At ASR we pride ourselves on the "Science" aspect of Audio/Sound Reproduction. DIRAC has a lot of goodwill behind it and buzz. People are genuinely interested by what it does but ... to repeat @Sal1950 ... In what way (Scientific/Objective) does Dirac, basic, DLBC or ART are better than Audyssey with the Windows App?? , which by the way they keep on improving regularly .. <Rant start> Come on You!!! Audyssey!!! When you have a quality product, you MARKET it, COME THE HECK ON <end of rant>

I know this thread is about DIRAC but so far there is nothing that proves it to be better in any aspect, even in subjective ways... SO why should one spend the very serious cash outlay any of its version requires as opposed to the (unfortunately not transferable) Audyssey MultEQ-X Windows App?
If my post is inappropriate, Mods by all means remove it ... but the questions needed to be asked, IMHO because the hyperbole is clear. Is it justified?

Happy Holidays!

Peace
 
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My thread is intended to be a quick guide on which AVRs and/or Processors are capable of doing DLBC and ART. It’s meant to save people time during the research phase, instead of hunting this info themselves.

There’s several good threads diving deeper into Dirac’s technology vs Audyssey vs other room correction systems. Both here at ASR and on AVSforum.

I really don’t need or want to compete with those threads, since there’s already a place for it.
 

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Any idea if Primare is (or will) expand Dirac DLCB to their recent AVR? If not, they have really botched a great oportunity with a less than one year old product.
 
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Changelog:
2023-12-18:
- Added 'coming soon' section, mentioned Denon AVR-X6800H.
- Combined 'notes' and 'coming soon' into "Coming Soon (Rumors and Confirmed)" section
- Added NAD M66 (featuring DLBC)
- Added 'limitation of my thread' section
 
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Add NAD M66 with DLART to coming soon section, source: Link
 

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Add this one to ART:

 
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Add this one to ART:

Thanks.

I’ve used ChatGPT 3.5 to help me understand this in English.

Summary:
Certainly! The provided text in German discusses the Fusion 20 audio equipment and its performance in a home cinema setup. The speaker praises the Storm Audio amplifiers, particularly the Class D amplifiers from Pascal Audio. The Fusion 20 is highlighted for its impressive dynamics, clarity, and separation. The speaker mentions testing the system in their cinema room and emphasizes the importance of "detachment" in digital amplifiers.
There is also a mention of the challenges in dismantling the reference system, which includes the Climax speakers. The Fusion 20 is praised for its ability to handle high-quality audio tasks. The speaker shares their experience testing the system in a TV Mini-Studio, exploring features like CEC and eARC functionality.
The discussion extends to testing the Storm audio system's bridged amplifier for a subwoofer, and the speaker expresses enthusiasm for the system's performance, especially after a firmware upgrade to version 4.5. The video creator appreciates the audio quality, dynamic range, and endorses the Fusion 20 for its overall performance in home cinema, with a brief comparison to other audio equipment.
The speaker also mentions the limitations of the Fusion 20, such as being restricted to 20 channels and having fixed XLR outputs. Despite this, the quality of the built-in amplifiers is praised, making the Fusion 20 a compelling choice for home theater enthusiasts, especially when considering the overall package, including HDMI 2.1 support, a 5-year warranty, and potential for future expansions. The video concludes with an invitation for viewers to like, comment, and enjoy other videos on the channel.

While not mentioned in this video, I can see that Storm Audio website lists this unit with DL, DLBC and ART included. Will add to my table shortly.
 

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Anyone heard of anything about MiniDSP's support for Dirac Live Bass Control?
I see people are requesting it on their MiniDSP forums, but that's about it.
Is there any hope for MiniDSP users?

UPDATE:
Posted on Aug 05, 2023, the moderator of MiniDSP forums said:
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MiniDSP can't talk about upcoming products.

Oh well, I thought I would check anyway.

@Ultrasonic are you just a mod there or are you part of the team?
 
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Denon x3800h for US$900 (normally US$1700) or 47% off.

Deal is back:


Use coupon CYBEWE03 at payment stage, where it asks “Do you have a gift or promo code?”. Select that and enter coupon code, apply. The price gets adjusted.

This is one of the cheapest ways to get DLBC.
Promo expired.
 

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Has anybody heard if Dirac Active Room Treatment will ultimately be available for the AudioControl Maestro X7/X9?
 

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Today I got the DLBC upgrade to my Marantz AV10.
All the press releases are not very informative over when DLBC adds something for your specific setup.
If I read all the marketing bla-bla DLBC optimises multiple bass channels so that it sounds the best possible in your room
So do you need to have more than 2 full range speakers and subwoofers to get better results than normal Dirac Live?
I assume that with a 5.1 setup where all speakers are 'small', so all bass is redirected to the sub makes no good use of DLBC and its better to use normal Dirac Live?
 

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Today I got the DLBC upgrade to my Marantz AV10.
All the press releases are not very informative over when DLBC adds something for your specific setup.
If I read all the marketing bla-bla DLBC optimises multiple bass channels so that it sounds the best possible in your room
So do you need to have more than 2 full range speakers and subwoofers to get better results than normal Dirac Live?
I assume that with a 5.1 setup where all speakers are 'small', so all bass is redirected to the sub makes no good use of DLBC and its better to use normal Dirac Live?
DLBC is specifically for systems with subwoofers and limited band (e.g. small) speakers. The crossover is set in software, to any desired frequency, and is mandatory. It helps particularly to smoothly integrate the crossover region between your subwoofer(s) and the rest of your system. For multi-sub deployments, it also time aligns those subwoofers, assuming your AVR/processor has independent subwoofer outputs (the AV10 has 4!).

Dirac ART will take advantage of full range speakers in a system by using their full-range capabilities for support in the <120 Hz range.
 

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When are we going to see ART for AudioControl Maestro X7 and X9....please.
 
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