Eversolo DMP-10, new release 25 october

[zeropoint]

Isn't the Rose RS130 coincidentally about 15% more expensive, equating performance with price?

 

[fcracer]

Does he have measurements for that 15%?
Keith

You should see his photography BS and paranormal stuff (I’m not making up the latter).

 

[AudioScience Enthusiast]

You should see his photography BS and paranormal stuff (I’m not making up the latter).

Yet manufacturers keep sending him free gear and follower counts keep going up, I believe.

 

[Tell]

You should see his photography BS and paranormal stuff (I’m not making up the latter).

I'm curious about that photography BS, got any links?

 

[Booker]

Hope he's keeping better track of his location than certain filmmakers did in 1999...

 

[Sokel]

If measurements are right this looks like a new era at ASR.
So what's the deal?
Is it that it is (by some standards) eXpEnSiVe,even if it does NOT really touches the lower end of hi-end audio?

Is it that it don't looks like something portable or doesn't fit a on desk?
The aesthetics that make it look eXpEnSiVe???

By my point of view is a sanely built thingie,with some safe-guards not to blow speakers and ears (unlike others) with the long asked isolated USB inputs (the opposite is the weekly thread across forums about all kind of PC noises) and has the potential to last.
It won't find it's way to hiend systems as Eversolo doesn't have such tradition yet but at least has the potential to last if the displays are not these silly OLEDs that burn after some time.

 

[Salt]

Everything made of organics will "burn" after some time ... that's Darwin's game...

 

[kyuu]

If measurements are right this looks like a new era at ASR.

New era of what? The ability to pay thousands more for the same or worse results as much cheaper devices? That's nothing new.

 

[Sokel]

New era of what? The ability to pay thousands more for the same or worse results as much cheaper devices? That's nothing new.

No,it is new.
This used to be a place where the objective performance matters,regardless the price.
Yes.it would be fair to bash something that claims to measure better than it is.
And all the above has nothing to do with audibility,that's another matter.

But this ones delivers.And on top of that delivers in a meaningful way addressing matters not usually addressed at this price point (you have to go higher for some nice analog,safe,VC ) .
It's also well built,components don't seem fake or dubious and if Eversolo wants to be up to the task support has to be top-notch (no silly returns at ones expenses for their own mistakes,quick and meaningful support,etc) and dealer network for peace of mind,as they are responsible to follow regulations,at least in Europe.

And another,not everyone searches for the absolute minimum or value for money,etc.Value is a metric of time after all.
I,for example would pay 4-5x for something that its looks suit me,just like every other hobby or life in general.

 

[Pink Floyd]

Luxury items from hi-fi to cars cost, take it or leave it. EverSolo A 10 has a top construction and will sound wonderfully good like the lower models but in their respective category of belonging.

 

[Galliardist]

No,it is new.
This used to be a place where the objective performance matters,regardless the price.

Explain the h - sorry, strong dislike of the Marantz SA-10 when it was reviewed. It was short of the blue category admittedly. Or the recently released Model 10 amplifier, which actually has the darling-of-the-forum Purifi modules and input from that company and is a high powered integrated amp. That's purely on price, isn't it?
Explain the fuss around the review of the Wilson TuneTot (recommended here), which was mostly about the price. There are other examples if you go look.

So it's not "new". Maybe it's only the last few years. But it's been there for as long as I've been here. Some products (McIntosh, Accuphase) have had new products supported at high prices by some on here, without measurements - but few and far between.

Even electronics at the $1000 mark have seen negative comments. Some people reckoned the A6 heavily overpriced. What do you think such people will make of this one?

Part of the reason I've referred to build quality, software, ergonomics and feature sets as being subjects that reviewers should mention more is that they are actually reasons why some higher priced products may be worth considering.

I get the reasons - companies still have websites and ads full of "it sounds better" stuff rather than giving us actual reasons why their products are worth considering, but that is the state of the market today.

As it happens, I know some A6 owners who have unresolved issues with the software: that puts me off the A10. We don't get detailed reviews of how a lot of products work, as opposed to long fanciful descriptions of "differences in the sound". If a magazine digs deep into HEOS, BluOS, bespoke control applications and whether it actually does work with AirPlay and Bluetooth, I'd be tempted to start buying it. I'll even watch YouTube videos that actually go in depth on such stuff.

As it is, with this product, I haven't the faintest idea if, for example, I can put a radio station preset on the screen on startup, or how long it takes to search and get to play a track from a collection on an internal drive or a NAS, or how well it integrates with Alexa et al (the last not being important to me personally, but it will for a lot of potential buyers).

I know that such things aren't part of the ASR mission, of course. It should be somebody's.

...please reply if you know someone who actually is doing some of this, thanks.

 

[Sokel]

Explain the h - sorry, strong dislike of the Marantz SA-10 when it was reviewed. It was short of the blue category admittedly. Or the recently released Model 10 amplifier, which actually has the darling-of-the-forum Purifi modules and input from that company and is a high powered integrated amp. That's purely on price, isn't it?
Explain the fuss around the review of the Wilson TuneTot (recommended here), which was mostly about the price. There are other examples if you go look.

So it's not "new". Maybe it's only the last few years. But it's been there for as long as I've been here. Some products (McIntosh, Accuphase) have had new products supported at high prices by some on here, without measurements - but few and far between.

Even electronics at the $1000 mark have seen negative comments. Some people reckoned the A6 heavily overpriced. What do you think such people will make of this one?

Part of the reason I've referred to build quality, software, ergonomics and feature sets as being subjects that reviewers should mention more is that they are actually reasons why some higher priced products may be worth considering.

I get the reasons - companies still have websites and ads full of "it sounds better" stuff rather than giving us actual reasons why their products are worth considering, but that is the state of the market today.

As it happens, I know some A6 owners who have unresolved issues with the software: that puts me off the A10. We don't get detailed reviews of how a lot of products work, as opposed to long fanciful descriptions of "differences in the sound". If a magazine digs deep into HEOS, BluOS, bespoke control applications and whether it actually does work with AirPlay and Bluetooth, I'd be tempted to start buying it. I'll even watch YouTube videos that actually go in depth on such stuff.

As it is, with this product, I haven't the faintest idea if, for example, I can put a radio station preset on the screen on startup, or how long it takes to search and get to play a track from a collection on an internal drive or a NAS, or how well it integrates with Alexa et al (the last not being important to me personally, but it will for a lot of potential buyers).

I know that such things aren't part of the ASR mission, of course. It should be somebody's.

...please reply if you know someone who actually is doing some of this, thanks.

The only one I know is me,with my own devices
And I never-ever give a free pass to them even if I payed for it,I rarely sell them after all,I prefer to give them at younger family members.

I get what you say,they were some stuff like the examples you gave me in the past.
But the pitchforks were less then,now it tends to be epidemic.

One VERY important thing missing at reviews are stating the certifications (ask your insurance about it,answers are very interesting).
And then it's warranty (and what covers),support,ease of interaction,dealer network,etc.
The above are not cheap.

I totally get the people who want the cheapest possible and also measuring great.But cutting safety corners for example does not work for me (I repeat,me)
I also totally get the people who want looks (I'm the first amongst them! ) ,nice construction,etc and on top of that want to belong to a more traditional group were stuff like reliability and proved record matters (Erin has a great video at the Mac he reviewed) ,has a good reselling value,etc.

There's room for all but sometimes people get defensive I guess.
It's a thing of happiness to accept that we are not all the same .

 

[AudioScience Enthusiast]

Part of the reason I've referred to build quality, software, ergonomics and feature sets as being subjects that reviewers should mention more is that they are actually reasons why some higher priced products may be worth considering.

When reviewers mention these issues, they’re often dismissed or attacked as being ‘not objective’ due to focusing on aspects that can’t be "measured.”

If a magazine digs deep into HEOS, BluOS, bespoke control applications and whether it actually does work with AirPlay and Bluetooth, I'd be tempted to start buying it. I'll even watch YouTube videos that actually go in depth on such stuff.

Magazines today are strapped for cash and can’t afford to ‘dig deep’ into real reviews. It’s a sad reality, and it’s why most reviews we see are just recycled press releases. This approach at least brings in some ad dollars. But remember though the more flaws reviewers or dealers point out, the less likely the public is to buy, and the less willing manufacturers are to spend ad dollars with those magazines and dealers. Consumers are on the losing end.

As it is, with this product, I haven't the faintest idea if, for example, I can put a radio station preset on the screen on startup, or how long it takes to search and get to play a track from a collection on an internal drive or a NAS, or how well it integrates with Alexa et al (the last not being important to me personally, but it will for a lot of potential buyers).

I know that such things aren't part of the ASR mission, of course. It should be somebody's.

When anyone mentions these needs, they’re often told that either the equipment isn’t designed to meet them or that their needs simply aren’t valid.

...please reply if you know someone who actually is doing some of this, thanks.

Me too.

I get what you say,they were some stuff like the examples you gave me in the past.
But the pitchforks were less then,now it tends to be epidemic.

It's the toxic internet era.

One VERY important thing missing at reviews are stating the certifications (ask your insurance about it,answers are very interesting). And then it's warranty (and what covers),support,ease of interaction,dealer network,etc.
The above are not cheap.

When reviewers get equipment for free in ‘exchange,’ they don’t need to worry about the real-life issues that paying customers care about. And unless dealers and reps start being upfront about these issues instead of promoting certain products, we’ll be kept in the dark.

I totally get the people who want the cheapest possible and also measuring great.But cutting safety corners for example does not work for me (I repeat,me)

I totally get it, but let's see who will start attacking you for being "you".

I also totally get the people who want looks (I'm the first amongst them! ) ,nice construction,etc and on top of that want to belong to a more traditional group were stuff like reliability and proved record matters (Erin has a great video at the Mac he reviewed) ,has a good reselling value,etc. There's room for all but sometimes people get defensive I guess. It's a thing of happiness to accept that we are not all the same .

Unfortunately, this is the world we’re in now: if you’re not part of the ‘in’, you’re on the out, and you have to go along with the "majority.”

 

[AdrianusG]

It's not even a comparable product. The Rose 130 is not a DAC, let alone a preamp. So what, bitperfect digital output from two products sounds different?

Yes, by 15% it seems

 

[GaryY]

I have read DMP-A10 manual and it does support cutoff freuency and delay of subwoofer. Considering A8 was supproting the delay of L/R position, I believe A10 would be as well.But not sure if there is high pass filter for L/R. There wasn't not so much info on room correction.

 

[GaryY]

Let's measure.
ROSE 130 is more expensive by 27% while better only by 15%.
DMP-A10 wins.

 

[GaryY]

Some room correction features are explained here.

 

[Rolls]

Hopefully they revised the R2R volume control so that the switching is now a consistent “make before break” design, unlike that of the A8.

 

[Purité Audio]

‘Make before break’?
Keith

 

[da Choge]

A question probably no one has an answer for as of yet: In the preceding video regarding the Eversolo DMP-A10, where Beekhuyzen is discussing settings, there is a selection under "Audio", subsection "XLR/RCA Output", labeled "Volume passthrough mode". This sounds very much like a "Home Theater Bypass" mode where you could run your AVR's main L & R preouts through. However, it appears to be a global setting for which all of the outputs will bypass the unit's volume control. Usually, if a component has a "Home Theater Bypass" mode, it can be set individually for specific inputs, a far more useful implementation of the feature. Does anybody have any more information as to what this setting really does or what it's for?