It all depends on the sale numbers of 3800. If they see a sudden drop in unit numbers from 3700 to 3800, they will go back to the drawing board. Also don’t forget that they basically got some free cakes from Amir’s 3700 recommendation status even after they quietly changed the DAC since 3700v2 was never measured but people kept buying it on clouded perception, so 3700 sales numbers should be quite high.
Z10000 will be the one to wait for... Mono ESS or AKM DAC's per channel, as you can configure in Sound Uniteds e-portal, with 130 dB SINAD, 15 channels with Audyssey, DIRAC, ARC and even more sound optimizers to choose from, select your own color and brand name (if Marantz fits better into your line for example, or Pioneer or Onkyo as they by then also will be acquired as well), 15 internal amps with 300 watts per channel at 8 Ohm you can switch off separately, two HDMI's in the front, ready for 16K picture processing, Dolby Atmos 5D (with also sensing and smelling included), included external solar panels so you will no longer impact 'the GRID', you can manage it with bluetooth, IR, WiFi and some new protocol based remote ánd of course by speech and gestures. And the best, based upon all the complaints this year they will now pay the consumer for using it so they/we can never say they are too expensive.
Hard to break it to you buddy, but Germans are well known and well documented in psychology papers for being pessimistic for years which is quite contrary to American wishful thinking school of thought. I can search the references for you if needed, but Google is our friend.
Ha ha, I read what you write… being Dutch I consider myself somewhere in the middle. Still, my point is that it doesn’t make sense waiting for the box that can do it all and still will be affordable. Anyone can buy the top of the bill Denon AVC-A1h. If you’re able to pay for it.
You might be dissatisfied. Better listen to it first.
True, but most of us have a receiver or two or three already. If someone doesn’t have one, of course waiting is missing out, but for those who can wait, this is not a good year to upgrade.
Denon X3300w (and others) quality ADC and DAC:
Hi, I took a look at which ADC and DAC chips my x3300w is equipped with. They should be pcm1690 for the DAC and pcm9211 for the ADC.
PCM1690:
24-Bit Delta-Sigma
8-Channel DAC
High Performance: Differential, fS = 48 kHz
THD+N: –94 dB
SNR: 113 dB
Dynamic Range: 113 dB
Sampling Rate: 8 kHz to 192 kHz
.........after all it's not that bad, there's certainly better.
The problem is instead the ADC, which, in my opinion, is painful! It seems really poor to me. It's a chip that does other things too!
PCM9211:
The PCM9211 is a complete analog and digital frontend for today's multimedia players, sound bars, and recorders. The PCM9211 integrates a stereo ADC, S/PDIF transceiver with up to 12 multiplexed inputs, and 3x PCM inputs to allow other audio receivers to be multiplexed, along with the analog and S/PDIF signals to a digital signal processor (DSP)
24-bit, 96-kHz capable
Dynamic range: 101 dB (fS = 96 kHz)
...I'm not very expert but I understand that the ADC is really poor and I also think that the analog signals that enter the Denon (turntable, etc.) are much penalized compared to the digital ones, so they have to pass through that shit of ADC.
What do you think?
I therefore thought of digitizing my analogue sources through an extremely high quality converter, a studio AD/DA converter, Apogee Rosetta 200 with these specifications relating to ADC:
Sample rates available up to 192k.
- 2 channels of very high quality 24-bit AD/DA conversion;
- "Intelliclock" dual-stage jitter reduction technology
- "Soft Limit" to operate with the maximum digital input level without distortion
- Available sample rates: 44.1/48/88.2/96k/176.4/192k (+/-10%)
- Frequency response at 44.1k: 10 - 20,000 Hz (+/- 0.2 dB)
- Range dinamico: 114 dB pesato A (AD + DA)
- THD+N: -105 dB (AD), -103 dB (DA)
https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pcm9211.pdf...
Of course I always use Audyssey.
In your opinion, when I listen to analogue sources, I will have a noticeable improvement, right? Or am I thinking wrong?
Thanks for any opinion.
If you use digital input, it will not go through the ADC. I thought you plan on using analog inputs. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
Based on specs, I agree that ADC is not a good one but it is not horrible.
Curious, what would you expect the audible differences to be using the different models?
Not OP but many people will be happier knowing that the have no bottleneck in their chain regardless of audibility. Like a peace of mind
Wouldn't call it a bottleneck myself, just slightly different spec and not likely audible. Piece of something else perhaps
well if one component of your chain has (slightly) slower SINAD than the rest, that's by definition the bottleneck. Not saying it affects the sound nor it is audible, just wanted to explain why some people want to have components with better SINAD.Wouldn't call it a bottleneck myself, just slightly different spec and not likely audible. Piece of something else perhaps
But your approach insinuates the differences are audible.
