Those serial numbers are NOT related to the DAC inside, those are related to the HDMI board inside. Below 70000 the HDMI ports are not fully 4K/120Hz then you have to get the SPK618 HDMI Adapter box for free from Denon and above 70000 then those have the updated HDMI board with fully support for 8K and 4K/120Hz.
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According to Amir's X4800H review, they achieve the absolute limit of the TI PCM 5102A according to the datasheet. So it is the limiter in this case. Not that it's anything to worry about, you can't hear a difference between it an an AKM or ESS model.
Mmmm good point, ill delete my post
Both more expensive and significantly poorer performance. Not recommending it is a social commentary.
As I have tested with two separate external DAC's in 'sort-of-A-v-B-v-C'-comparison... I was able to source a streaming DAC from Argon (Solo with ESS) and Topping (E30 DAC with AKM) cheap. Both 'high-spec' DAC-chips and connected via analog input to my 4700 (CD analog input with very good SINAD according to Amirm's testing) The argon Solo is connect via toslink to the Topping E30 so I can switch my Apple Music streaming audio to internal 4700 (TI) DAC or to the CD input (and choose whether I use the Topping or Argon DAC) I can tell you; I can't hear any difference... Not while sitting in the sweet-spot (stereo, Wharfedale EV0 4.4) nor while listening close to one speaker (noise...) So I now have two nice small boxes showing an orange and a red light telling me they are doing nothing as I stream via the internal DAC. From spec's perspective it is a step back but in the real world of a home cinema receiver (....) in a living room (?) You can safely choose Denon or Marantz for that matter.
100%. I know the feeling as I have some paperweights too
100%. I know the feeling as I have some paperweights too
3900 won’t be out for 2 more years if they stick to a 3 year release cycle
It all depends on the sale numbers of 3800. If they see a sudden drop in unit numbers from 3700 to 3800, they will go back to the drawing board. Also don’t forget that they basically got some free cakes from Amir’s 3700 recommendation status even after they quietly changed the DAC since 3700v2 was never measured but people kept buying it on clouded perception, so 3700 sales numbers should be quite high.
Z10000 will be the one to wait for... Mono ESS or AKM DAC's per channel, as you can configure in Sound Uniteds e-portal, with 130 dB SINAD, 15 channels with Audyssey, DIRAC, ARC and even more sound optimizers to choose from, select your own color and brand name (if Marantz fits better into your line for example, or Pioneer or Onkyo as they by then also will be acquired as well), 15 internal amps with 300 watts per channel at 8 Ohm you can switch off separately, two HDMI's in the front, ready for 16K picture processing, Dolby Atmos 5D (with also sensing and smelling included), included external solar panels so you will no longer impact 'the GRID', you can manage it with bluetooth, IR, WiFi and some new protocol based remote ánd of course by speech and gestures. And the best, based upon all the complaints this year they will now pay the consumer for using it so they/we can never say they are too expensive.
Hard to break it to you buddy, but Germans are well known and well documented in psychology papers for being pessimistic for years which is quite contrary to American wishful thinking school of thought. I can search the references for you if needed, but Google is our friend.
