Darko latest video vinyl rips compared to streaming download

[Jeromeof]

This video might be interesting for the community - I think Darko was so close to an understanding of what is wrong with measuring the dynamic range of a vinyl ripped via the Cosmos ADC and DROffline MKII but then jumped back to his subjective opinions

Basically for those not interested in watching the video he wanted to compare the dynamic range of the latest Talking Heads remaster of "Stop making sense" (which is excellent IMO) between the streaming version and what was mastered on Vinyl and he then "measured" the vinyl dynamic range via his 16/44 rip of the Vinyl and compared to different version of the same music via different Vinyl - he properly mentioned he would be measuring his equipment used to record it as well as the vinyl then choose to ignore that part of the process.

 

[MCH]

Did he at least pay attention to what @IVX said?

 

[Jeromeof]

Did he at least pay attention to what @IVX said?
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No he ignored any measurements of the equipment he used capture the vinyl hence why I thought he was close but then jumped in subjective opinions

 

[voodooless]

He could have saved himself a lot of time:

Album list - Dynamic Range DB

TLDR: the latest “remaster” is shit, just get the 1985 CD pressing

 

[fpitas]

He could have saved himself a lot of time:

Album list - Dynamic Range DB

TLDR: the latest “remaster” is shit, just get the 1985 CD pressing

Whoa. they crushed that!

 

[Jeromeof]

He could have saved himself a lot of time:

Album list - Dynamic Range DB

TLDR: the latest “remaster” is shit, just get the 1985 CD pressing

His point if you watch the video is the streaming version has crap DR but the vinyl one is better ( but probably not ) as his measurement's would be flawed

 

[voodooless]

Whoa. they crushed that!

Yeah, that’s what they do… I wish they would stop doing this to albums. It’s also one of the negatives of streaming services: you often don’t have a choice anymore and are stuck with sine crappy 20xx remaster, while the 197/8x version was already excellent.

 

[voodooless]

His point if you watch the video is the streaming version has crap DR but the vinyl one is better ( but probably not ) as his measurement's would be flawed

That why he should have just looked it up and saved himself a lot of trouble and embarrassment, but that would not have made for an “exciting” video

 

[ta240]

That why he should have just looked it up and saved himself a lot of trouble and embarrassment, but that would not have made for an “exciting” video

If people 'looked it up' then there would be a fraction of the videos on youtube and a lot of people would have to get real jobs.

 

[Barrelhouse Solly]

I listen to streaming entirely in the car. I think a lot of the recordings are mastered for a high level of background noise.

 

[IVX]

Did he at least pay attention to what @IVX said?
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He has the phono preamp so just ADC is enough. However, I don't believe that PS-audio was able to design something decent in technical terms.

 

[TankTop]

New video by Johny Darko on Vinyl dynamic range. I don’t know enough to comment but wanted to post the video to get feedback from this forum.

 

[LTig]

He us right insofar as remasters indeed are mostly produced with less dynamic range. Still early CDs produced in the 80's have more dynamic range than vinyl. It's a pity that the more dynamic range a medium has the less is actually used by intent.

 

[TankTop]

He us right insofar as remasters indeed are mostly produced with less dynamic range. Still early CDs produced in the 80's have more dynamic range than vinyl. It's a pity that the more dynamic range a medium has the less is actually used by intent.

So let me ask, many amplifiers and preamplifiers are tested here and rated as excellent with more than 20 dB of dynamic range. If the source only has less than 10 DB of dynamic range then does the amplifier or preamplifier even matter?

 

[frabor]

It is not about vinyl vs hi-rez but about the mix. the same mastering transferred to a higher fidelity medium would always produce a better result. vinyl is cool, fun and a great part of the hobbies, but the inconsistency of playback situations and the degradation of the media is real and measurable. each time the content is played, the media and stylus gets worst.

so, instead of trying to argue when vinyl is superior to digital (stream or media based), we should be arguing why we cannot get the same "analog" mix in digital format.

 

[Chrispy]

Hi res can compete with vinyl easily enough, it's the personnel/tools involved....

 

[danadam]

Hi res can compete with vinyl easily enough, it's the personnel/tools involved....

Hi-res?
Well, redbook can, so I guess hi-res can too

 

[danadam]

New video by Johny Darko on Vinyl dynamic range. I don’t know enough to comment but wanted to post the video to get feedback from this forum.

A few days ago:

Darko latest video vinyl rips compared to streaming download

This video might be interesting for the community - I think Darko was so close to an understanding of what is wrong with measuring the dynamic range of a vinyl ripped via the Cosmos ADC and DROffline MKII but then jumped back to his subjective opinions :rolleyes: Basically for those not...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[solderdude]

So let me ask, many amplifiers and preamplifiers are tested here and rated as excellent with more than 20 dB of dynamic range. If the source only has less than 10 DB of dynamic range then does the amplifier or preamplifier even matter?

Where did you get those numbers from ? Electronics is easily capable of dynamic ranges of over 100dB.

One should realize that 'dynamic range' of electronics is completely different thing than 'dynamic range' of a recording.
They are not related at all.
Darko talks about dynamic range of recordings.

The dynamic range of vinyl is very, very poor compared to what digital and amps are capable off. The reason is noise and the needed compression to press a vinyl record that actually sounds nice.

@LTig touched the most important point here.
Some of this is explained here:

 

[Blumlein 88]

So let me ask, many amplifiers and preamplifiers are tested here and rated as excellent with more than 20 dB of dynamic range. If the source only has less than 10 DB of dynamic range then does the amplifier or preamplifier even matter?

Amplifying on solderdude's point somewhat. Do you realize this sort of DR for recordings is not the same as measured DR of electronics? The DR rating in recordings is some variation on peak to average amounts or crest levels. A recording that had some average level of say -20 dbFS, and had peaks of -4 dbFS would be said to have DR rating of 16 db. Now the recording likely in terms of total dynamic range of softest to loudest has a wider dynamic range than 16 db.

So while with music the somewhat arbitrary artificial DR may almost never be more than 20 db, you could not get away with a preamp/amp combo with only 20 or even 30 db. It would be horribly noisey. Like listening to the radio from a great distance where the signal was getting weak and it is filled with noise.

Here is a track shown in Audacity using the db scale. The darker blue is peak levels and the lighter blue is something of a moving average. It isn't quite the same as the official DR music ratings or LUFS, but the same general idea. I drew red lines showing that peaks run around - 4db and average levels are maybe -16 db. So this sort of DR is around 12 db. But as you can see there are areas much low in level than this. If you look up this album (Tales of mystery and imagination) it has an average DR rating of 10 on the DR Meter. So in the ballpark of what I show.