Darko latest video vinyl rips compared to streaming download

[MaxwellsEq]

What I just don't get is why clever people never question the DR or even LUFS number that is spat out.

If you play a piece of music with a PPM or VU meter, it's extremely obvious that the meter frequently drops 30, 40 or 60dB during the track.

So there visually is a big instantaneous difference between the quietest and loudest bits, but the DR score is, say 13. How can people ignore what's in front of their eyes?

 

[DSJR]

Hang on a minute - There's a recent thread here concerning DR ranges for vinyl and digital and someone (I apologise for not remembering who it was) filtered and de-essed a digital file just as a cutting engineer would - sub 30Hz filtered off, mono'd below 80Hz, de-essed and filtered off above 15kHz or so to prevent the cutter going unstable or overheating, just as happens in vinyl 'real life' and the DR rating of that file went up (which surprised me).

There's a 50 year appreciation documentary regarding Rega here in the UK, which is a wonderful success story for them. Poor old Roy Gandy still believes there's more you can get from a vinyl record than any digital system will provide.

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[MaxwellsEq]

Vinyl and MP3 have artificially high DR scores in the database (whilst not actually being more dynamic or better SNR)

Blimey, I may agree with Darko

eh... darko had me at ikea door stoppers

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[Adi777]

What about blind test? Hi-Res vs CD vs Vinyl? We have something like this?

 

[BDWoody]

What about blind test? Hi-Res vs CD vs Vinyl? We have something like this?

Vinyl would tricky as it would have some intrinsic tells, but the CD vs High-Res thing has been done.

Are you familiar with the test Archimago put together?

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[MaxwellsEq]

What about blind test? Hi-Res vs CD vs Vinyl? We have something like this?

Everybody would pass the test! It's extremely easy to spot Vinyl - it's noisy, has limited extreme bass and has resonances and roll-offs at the top end.

 

[Adi777]

and roll-offs at the top end.

How so? After all, vinyl is not limited to plus minus 20 kHz? I do not understand anything... I heard about limited low frequency, but high tones?

 

[Adi777]

How is it possible that some say that vinyl sounds better compared to CD and streaming, and others say the complete opposite? Yes, some people hear or "hear" the differences between DACs, also cables, amplifiers - others don't, but can't it really be clearly explained?

 

[Purité Audio]

People enjoy distortion, particularly if they have grown up with that distortion/s and consider it correct and therefore digital wrong.
Keith

 

[Adi777]

Ok, but some people say that with really good analog audio system and vinyl's before loudness war you can't hear and you don't have distortion, noises and crackles.
PS Those people are not people who say - vinyl sound better vs the rest, because is "magic", physical, nostalgic, or something like this.

 

[Purité Audio]

Distortions are inherent in the medium, tracking tracing, IMD and more that I have forgotten, I am always surprised how good vinyl can sound despite its limitations.
Keith

 

[MaxwellsEq]

How so? After all, vinyl is not limited to plus minus 20 kHz? I do not understand anything... I heard about limited low frequency, but high tones?

Read the thread in this link and look at the graphs. Think about what is happening to the stylus in the groove as the modulations become closer together (higher frequency). Also, for giggles, have a look at the crosstalk and distortion. What's happening below 50Hz? What's happening above 10kHz. Are the graphs flat?

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