Raindog123
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Magni 3 (including Heresy) does not have differential inputs.The Magni 3+ would likely be easier to distinguish from the Magnius compared to the Atom.
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Magni 3 (including Heresy) does not have differential inputs.The Magni 3+ would likely be easier to distinguish from the Magnius compared to the Atom.
That's exactly why an AB test should be conducted in mono too, not just in stereo, to remove the spatiality. This will ease things up in perceiving details retrieving differences or bass differences etc.
As @JohnYang1997 said this should be valid in stereo.That's exactly why an AB test should be conducted in mono too, not just in stereo, to remove the spatiality. This will ease things up in perceiving details retrieving differences or bass differences etc.
I lost track of all the things you said was wrong with Magnius. You are saying the atom has all the same faults? How could that be?If not, I'd probably be OK to use the atom but honestly haven't spent much time with it so would need to check if I can actually hear a difference between it and magnius first.
No I'm saying I've hardly listened to the atom and not at all with any full size cans so I don't know what it sounds like. And therefore I can't say anything about it yet.I lost track of all the things you said was wrong with Magnius. You are saying the atom has all the same faults? How could that be?
As @JohnYang1997 said this should be valid in stereo.
It may be an interesting test to see if it's easier or harder to discern a difference when in mono if the first test in stereo passes, but until then it makes sense to keep things applicable to real world use and use stereo.
Firstly because as said, that's how we listen to stuff. I said I thought I could hear differences in stereo. That is the assumption we're testing.
Secondly because if you're trying to test the assumption that things sound identical, you should give every potential opportunity to assist finding a difference. If your assumption that the two things sound identical is correct then it won't matter and only makes the result more conclusive.
But if the assumption is wrong then the scientific approach is to approach it in an unbiased manner. Deliberately designing the test so that even if there is a difference it will be harder to discern is just approaching things in a biased manner.
The results need to be able to stand on their own, be conclusive, and applicable to real world use. No matter which way the results turn out.
This is a showstopper I am afraid. Whoever it is, is a proxy for me, not for you. With my money on the line, we need to have someone on the side of objectivity so that he can be on the look out for any issues that come up in person.- I'll do the test at a friend of mine in London's house.
I am really lost then. I thought all of these amps had different sounds to you. Now you are saying that some could sound the same? Anyway, can't you listen to Atom tonight and report to us tomorrow?No I'm saying I've hardly listened to the atom and not at all with any full size cans so I don't know what it sounds like. And therefore I can't say anything about it yet.
I can report tomorrow whether I think the atom sounds different to the stuff I have here. And as soon as the Magnius arrives I'll confirm if it sounds different to me to that as well.I am really lost then. I thought all of these amps had different sounds to you. Now you are saying that some could sound the same? Anyway, can't you listen to Atom tonight and report to us tomorrow?
Hey we're judging audio not my sleep scheduleLondon - 05:06am
That's fineThis is a showstopper I am afraid. Whoever it is, is a proxy for me, not for you. With my money on the line, we need to have someone on the side of objectivity so that he can be on the look out for any issues that come up in person.
I know we have other members in London. We need to see one is kind enough to do this work. I am happy to pay $100 for their time and effort.
So you have located one? Please confirm and I was trying to find one as well.I can report tomorrow whether I think the atom sounds different to the stuff I have here. And as soon as the Magnius arrives I'll confirm if it sounds different to me to that as well.
Viewer of mine has offered to send me theirs but its coming from Canada so may be a whileSo you have located one? Please confirm and I was trying to find one as well.
I don't see why not. Thing is to have the AB test done in both stereo and mono, well...at least few seconds in mono and the rest of tests in stereo.The test would still be valid in stereo, right?
I usually like to make my point clear, so I do insist if I feel that more arguments need to get put on the table.Don't you think that Amir and GO can work out the parameters without you insisting on things that neither of them cares about?
Let's let him test in stereo just like he did in this video review. Hate to change that, him failing the test, and have him blame it on this factor.I don't see why not. Thing is to have the AB test done in both stereo and mono, well...at least few seconds in mono and the rest of tests in stereo.
I expect that the mono AB compare will better retrieve details differences, due to eliminating the scene caused by the stereophony.
In mono is also way easier to catch volume channel differences, mostly caused by the ribbon potentiometer.
I can report tomorrow whether I think the atom sounds different to the stuff I have here. And as soon as the Magnius arrives I'll confirm if it sounds different to me to that as well.
And yes. Some amps do sound either indistinguishable or incredibly similar to the point where I'm sure i wouldn't be able to reliably tell them apart.
I never claimed that EVERYTHING sounds different and that's also not what we're looking to test.
- Between each run I will leave the room, and my friend will use a coin flip app (which will be shown on camera 2) to choose which way around to connect the two amps. (he will always unplug and replug each run even if its the same config as previous run just to ensure the time between runs is even and there is no possible giveaway that nothing was changed)
I prefer that you don't leave the room otherwise folks would wonder if you are watching the camera stream where the coin flip is occurring. There are a ton of random number generators online. Your proctor could use that to select the next iteration.
You need to simply sit away from him while keeping the headphone on all the time.
I want to make sure we run each test so that it stands alone on its own. That is, you pick one clip and one clip only and experiment is repeated until p< 0.05. If you then want to repeat the test with another clip you can.