Tekton M-Lore Speaker Measurement Update

[Jim Taylor]

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/speaker-speed.17759/post-1957319

Jim

 

[antcollinet]

A lot of speaker design is based on guesswork and speculation anyway.

And there is the problem, right there.

if it does what they say, there has got to be a reason, an effect, for it.

But there is no evidence that it does. None. Literally....None.

What effect are you suggesting would do it?

See point 2

...because I'm not sure what your actual contention is. My contention is that the designer did the maths: 6>1, and correspondingly, you might find a greater surface area of coil windings. Plus it might cool better spread between 6 motors. So, I'm not sure how wrong I am when I am not advocating the technical argument myself, just explaining what might be the design intention.

Pure, 100% speculation. That's what gets engineering into these messes in the first place.

I'm not in the habit of reverse-engineering goofball designs inside my head, but I guess I am now.

I rest my case... yer onner

 

[Somafunk]

...but I'm just speculating and playing Devil's Advocate for a rational based on some science-y thing that the designer-"engineer" might have had in mind. A lot of speaker design is based on guesswork and speculation anyway

Ya’ think?

 

[CedarX]

A lot of speaker design is based on guesswork and speculation anyway.

A lot of speaker buying is based on guesswork and speculation… This I would agree!

 

[Thomas Lutro]

I think it's about driver mass, in relation to magnet's surface area on the coil, if I had to guess. Let's say that total driver mass is identical, I'm pretty sure six magnets and coils can move it with more control than a single coil.

On the one hand this is an area of mature technology, where most ideas, good and bad, have been tested, and Darwin has done his thing. There's little to be had but slow and incremental improvements, mostly through application of work from other areas, materials, modeling software, what have you.

On the other hand, there's the need for customers, return customers (audiophilia is struggling with 'meh' from the young). That leads to the need for a narrative, a story, a visible something to talk about.

And then we end up with outlandish designs with no sense or merit, reviewed by mainstream reviewers so old they can afford super tweeters but hardly hear upper midrange. Of course it sounds different, and of course different is better when you insist on that same old played to death record.

We all just need to accept that kit ends. Reproduction is engineering, not art. We all need to buy records, more records, bigger houses to accomodate our records. And we need to get off our asses to hear live music. Musicians are the artists, not some schmoe with a HiFi brand.

 

[Jim Taylor]

We all just need to accept that kit ends. Reproduction is engineering, not art. We all need to buy records, more records, bigger houses to accomodate our records. recordings. And we need to get off our asses to hear live music. Musicians are the artists, not some schmoe with a HiFi brand.

FIFY.

Jim

 

[YSC]

...but I'm just speculating and playing Devil's Advocate for a rational based on some science-y thing that the designer-"engineer" might have had in mind. A lot of speaker design is based on guesswork and speculation anyway. I'm just trying to fix that concept to a plausible effect. Six coils verses one? if it does what they say, there has got to be a reason, an effect, for it.

What effect are you suggesting would do it? ...because I'm not sure what your actual contention is. My contention is that the designer did the maths: 6>1, and correspondingly, you might find a greater surface area of coil windings. Plus it might cool better spread between 6 motors. So, I'm not sure how wrong I am when I am not advocating the technical argument myself, just explaining what might be the design intention.

I'm not in the habit of reverse-engineering goofball designs inside my head, but I guess I am now.

No need for reverse-engineering, if it delivers what is objectively good sound measurements, it is a succeessful design, we won't care if it's made of a dozen toilet paper. I believe a lot of ppl here would be convinced if it objectively performs ignoring the look or array, but if it don't perform, it doesn't matter if it is made out of unobtainium either

 

[antcollinet]

I believe a lot of ppl here would be convinced if it objectively performs ignoring the look or array,

Well for me - it would have to justify the arrays existence, not just by performing, but by performing better than a traditional design (otherwise the cost and other compromises are not justified).

Problem is if they are selling the array based on "speed" it is nonsense. All designs that achieve flat FR also achieve "speed", and you don't need daft looking, expensive, beaming tweeter arrays for the mid range to get that.

 

[YSC]

Well for me - it would have to justify the arrays existence, not just by performing, but by performing better than a traditional design (otherwise the cost and other compromises are not justified).

Problem is if they are selling the array based on "speed" it is nonsense. All designs that achieve flat FR also achieve "speed", and you don't need daft looking, expensive, beaming tweeter arrays for the mid range to get that.

No offense, I am personally more open, if gimmicks or a diffent approach did achieve what is desired, it's a good design, the extra cost is just kind of R&D cost in my book, there's no harm to pay extra for some gimmicks/look where one would get more satisifaction, but if one need to trade performance for the gimmick/look, then it is going into the wrong direction

 

[antcollinet]

No offense, I am personally more open

That is fine - we are a broad church

 

[Thomas Lutro]

FIFY.

Jim

That's a lot of money freed up right there.

But on the other hand. I love records, in no way because they sound better, they don't in and of themselves (some times they are the only source for the best mix/ master). But somehow, through some mysterious process they make me a better and more attentive listener.

 

[CedarX]

The Tekton speaker feet story has been noticed... Here is a picture of a Tekton "Lore" for sale on eBay :

 

[Bob from Florida]

Problem is if they are selling the array based on "speed" it is nonsense. All designs that achieve flat FR also achieve "speed", and you don't need daft looking, expensive, beaming tweeter arrays for the mid range to get that.

Speaker speed is a function of cabinet design. The aerodynamics of the cabinet will determine terminal velocity of any given speaker dropped off of a tall building, ie Empire State Building.

 

[Mart68]

I went up to the observation deck of the Empire State. One of the elevators was out of order, but the doors were open and there was just this ridiculous little plastic fence across the opening. Like the fence outside a child's wendy house.

Against my better judgement I leaned over and took a look down the shaft. It fair turned me over.

Two girls behind me said, 'Ooh, what's it like?'

I told them not to look, but they did anyway.

 

[milosz]

The speakers in my car have an ECM-limited top speed of 162 MPH (261 KPH).