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Tekton M-Lore Speaker Measurement Update

AdamG

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You know the other thread is in this same forum right? With the same forum members?
I get your point and understand the frustration. But Musictubes is a new member and we need to give him some wiggle room and time to figure this place out. Just me thinking out loud and I’m not leaning into you in particular. A general observation for the group here. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt please. ;)

Thank you for your understanding and consideration.
 

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You know the other thread is in this same forum right? With the same forum members?
Not to make this into a thread about a thread (so meta!) but I actually took Musictubes to be making a self deprecating comment, deferring to the commenters in the other thread over himself.
 

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Really applaud how @amirm has handled this. The way manufacturers behave as if they’ve done nothing wrong and then take zero accountability when proven wrong is everywhere. Wanting to help with other reviewers legal funds is above what most would do.

True!
Amir most probably appreciates the saying attributed to Ben Franklin: "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

Jim
 

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Don't forget the "no politics" rule you signed up to when you joined. :p
Sorry to disagree, but I think my original post is quite appropriate material for a forum. If the forum moderators disagree, they can so indicate by closing my account now.
 

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Sorry to disagree, but I think my original post is quite appropriate material for a forum. If the forum moderators disagree, they can so indicate by closing my account now.
It really doesn't matter if it is appropriate for a forum or not - or what your opinion is. This forum has the rule for a reason, and you agreed to it. Ignoring it is the quickest way to get your posts deleted (if the mods see it). My post was simply intended as a friendly heads up so you can avoid falling foul of the trap.

No skin off my nose either way.
 
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It really doesn't matter if it is appropriate for a forum or not - or what your opinion is. This forum has the rule for a reason, and you agreed to it. Ignoring it is the quickest way to get your posts deleted (if the mods see it). My post was simply intended as a friendly heads up so you can avoid falling foul of the trap.

No skin off my nose either way.
Okay. Maybe we can explore this a little bit. What suggested to you that my original post had run afoul of the rule? I'll tell you that my intent was not to inject politics per se, but rather to highlight a connection between American politics in general and this saga in the audio world in particular. Is that out of bounds? Really? How do you draw this boundary?
 

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No, it's just the opposite.
Let me try.

The essence of flat earth thinking is denying ALL the factual and science based evidence, and embracing only what they see with their own eyes - and even bending that to fit their dogma.
 
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Okay. Maybe we can explore this a little bit. What suggested to you that my original post had run afoul of the rule? I'll tell you that my intent was not to inject politics per se, but rather to highlight a connection between American politics in general and this saga in the audio world in particular. Is that out of bounds? Really? How do you draw this boundary?
I feel no need to "explore" it - like I say, no skin off my nose either way. Just know I've had posts deleted containing far less obviously political references.
 

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Sorry to disagree, but I think my original post is quite appropriate material for a forum. If the forum moderators disagree, they can so indicate by closing my account now.
Request granted Sir. Account closed. ;)
 

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"litigate and seek damages". What a bully! To show damages, he would have to show that your review directly caused him to lose sales and he would have to quantify those lost sales - something that is totally unproveable.
 

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You seem to be repeating the same claims he makes on his website and in his videos and interviews, and like him, you're not providing evidence for the claims.

Is the mass really lower when you add up the the mass from six tweeters? Does the alleged lower mass really improve impulse response? Does impulse response even need to be improved? If so, in what way? Where are the measurements? And is it audible? Do the measurements show any improvements in ringing compared to other speakers?

You say a 7" midrange would beam pretty badly. First, I don't consider a 7" driver to be a midrange. Too big. It's a woofer. Second, yes, it would beam, but so does the Tekton array! It beams dramatically, in fact. Look at the Stereophile off-axis response plots for evidence.


I think it's about driver mass, in relation to magnet's surface area on the coil, if I had to guess. Let's say that total driver mass is identical, I'm pretty sure six magnets and coils can move it with more control than a single coil.
 

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Loudspeakers is a very crowded marketplace, you need something to stand out from the competition.

For Tekton it's the tweeter array. Not knocking them for that but if there really was a problem that needed solving it would have been done years ago by one of the big companies.
 

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I think it's about driver mass, in relation to magnet's surface area on the coil, if I had to guess. Let's say that total driver mass is identical, I'm pretty sure six magnets and coils can move it with more control than a single coil.
Why? The 'motor' of any driver (tweeter or woofer) is designed to move the mass it needs to move, at the speed it needs to move it for the required maximum frequency of the driver in order to achieve a flat response. There is no reason to expect this to be over dimensioned in a tweeter compared with a mid range speaker.
 

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Why? The 'motor' of any driver (tweeter or woofer) is designed to move the mass it needs to move, at the speed it needs to move it for the required maximum frequency of the driver in order to achieve a flat response. There is no reason to expect this to be over dimensioned in a tweeter compared with a mid range speaker.

...but I'm just speculating and playing Devil's Advocate for a rational based on some science-y thing that the designer-"engineer" might have had in mind. A lot of speaker design is based on guesswork and speculation anyway. I'm just trying to fix that concept to a plausible effect. Six coils verses one? if it does what they say, there has got to be a reason, an effect, for it.

What effect are you suggesting would do it? ...because I'm not sure what your actual contention is. My contention is that the designer did the maths: 6>1, and correspondingly, you might find a greater surface area of coil windings. Plus it might cool better spread between 6 motors. So, I'm not sure how wrong I am when I am not advocating the technical argument myself, just explaining what might be the design intention.

I'm not in the habit of reverse-engineering goofball designs inside my head, but I guess I am now.
 
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