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I don’t think any passive speaker could ever possibly impress you … but certainly agree on the measurements being re-assuringI have only heard them at Munich, didn’t impress, measurements would be re-assuring .
Keith
I don’t think any passive speaker could ever possibly impress you … but certainly agree on the measurements being re-assuringI have only heard them at Munich, didn’t impress, measurements would be re-assuring .
Keith
Thanks for the recommend, definitely not a fan of electrostatics. Seems to either be a love or hate thing from my observations all these years. With that said, they certainly do some things very very well, but a bit of a one trick pony in that sense. Anyway, glad you like them but not for me.I personally love martin Logan electrostatic speakers, but there are a few folks here who dislike them. For me, I'd look at the Martin Logan Renaissance 15A. There would even be enough money left over to buy a few cups of coffee.
Interesting I was fortunate enough to compare the Salon2s against my Kii/BXT in the same room, my conclusion entirely different.
Try and hear the possibles head to head in your own room, it really is the only valid comparison.
Keith
My sentiments exactlyI'm sure anyone would agree the optimal speaker audition would be in one's own room. But that's just not possible or practical in many if not most cases.
MKR had a wide list of speakers he was interested in hearing. There's no way he'd be able to listen to all those in his room, so seeking them out at a dealer
to audition is the route to go.
And, as I've mentioned before, I disagree that auditioning speakers in your own home (which I have done) or even in the same room/system is necessary for finding a speaker you like. The vast majority of audiophiles manage to make satisfying purchases by auditioning speakers - either hearing them at a dealer, another audiophile's home, or whatever. As Floyd Toole always points out, we are pretty good at "hearing through" the room to the characteristics of a speaker (with caveats). I've found it's quite possible to get the gist of a speaker at dealer show rooms or other places. Most speakers I've had in my home sounded essentially the same as when I heard them elsewhere. So it's still legitimate to go the practical route of auditioning speakers and narrowing the field that way.
Ultimately you only ever know if you can "live" with a speaker or have long term satisfaction is by...living with a speaker long term. But even the best audition scenarios - in your own home, or side by side at a store - won't tell you that for sure. So there's always going to be a level of "rolling the dice."
This is just fully impractical…. Unless you live very close to a dealer (which I don’t!), there is no way any dealer is going to ship you a pair of $30k multi-hundred pound pair of loudspeakers for an in home audition. It is just a huge pain in the buttocks in so many ways. MAYBE if you offered to pay shipping, dealer might consider, but even then they are giving up a demo pair for some length of time, so an opportunity cost for them. Again, if you lived very close to dealer, maybe they would let you take a pair of the behemoths home for a time, but then they risk damage to a very expensive pair of loudspeakers. If I were a dealer, no way I would do this, and I wouldn’t hold it against them for telling me to go pound sand if I made such a request.You don’t listen to them all Matt you whittle down to two or three possibles which you compare at home, at this price point it is what dealers should be offering. ( if they aspire to being something other than box-shifters)
Keith
You don’t listen to them all Matt you whittle down to two or three possibles which you compare at home, at this price point it is what dealers should be offering. ( if they aspire to being something other than box-shifters)
Keith
$30k for a pair of speakers with no form of built in adjustment ,I would want to hear them in my room, the dealer could charge a fee and deduct that from the purchase price.This is just fully impractical…. Unless you live very close to a dealer (which I don’t!), there is no way any dealer is going to ship you a pair of $30k multi-hundred pound pair of loudspeakers for an in home audition. It is just a huge pain in the buttocks in so many ways. MAYBE if you offered to pay shipping, dealer might consider, but even then they are giving up a demo pair for some length of time, so an opportunity cost for them. Again, if you lived very close to dealer, maybe they would let you take a pair of the behemoths home for a time, but then they risk damage to a very expensive pair of loudspeakers. If I were a dealer, no way I would do this, and I wouldn’t hold it against them for telling me to go pound sand if I made such a request.
Now, for a smallish pair of actives, Kii for example, this becomes more realistic, but for large floorstanders, I would never expect this from a dealer, nor will I ask them. Silliness.
I always thought I’d go Revel or Salk Sound but ended up with these guys despite my audiophile cred being destroyed by the consumer brand name. So worth it!
Without a tendency for bias in favor of pinpoint imagery as the path for ideal in-home music reproduction, I’m not sure which would be more popular. Simply no way to control for that, if folks have heard it only one way most of their lives.
No form of built in adjustment? Ugh. Once again Keith, actives not the only way to skin the cat. And note the Salon 2s do have built in adjustment, as an example, albeit very minimal. Plus there is this cool thing called EQ that you can implement in many different and cost effective ways these days with passive speakers$30k for a pair of speakers with no form of built in adjustment ,I would want to hear them in my room, the dealer could charge a fee and deduct that from the purchase price.
Obviously dealers would prefer to make only one trip to your place, I believe ‘we’ have to add some value, otherwise the manufacturer might as well ( and many will) sell direct.
Keith
Welcome to the USA! Spending a lot of time in EU and interacting there with many colleagues and friends, they are always shocked at the distances us Americans typically drive. A 12 hour drive is really no issue for me, fully used to this, above that starts to get a bit rough even for me16 hours!
That is a drive!
Keith
Unfortunately the maxim, "caveat emptor" is very true.You must take everything dealers say with a pinch of salt!
There is a local dealer who can sell snow to Alaskans. I knew he was a crook by reputation and still almost went to work for him after a lunch... he is that good.A dealer I know won’t even mention the Kiis if the customers budget is more than the Kiis, the opportunity to sell more product is just too strong!
It definitely is not practical plus I don’t really think this in home audition is really necessary especially with speakers.This is just fully impractical…. Unless you live very close to a dealer (which I don’t!), there is no way any dealer is going to ship you a pair of $30k multi-hundred pound pair of loudspeakers for an in home audition. It is just a huge pain in the buttocks in so many ways. MAYBE if you offered to pay shipping, dealer might consider, but even then they are giving up a demo pair for some length of time, so an opportunity cost for them. Again, if you lived very close to dealer, maybe they would let you take a pair of the behemoths home for a time, but then they risk damage to a very expensive pair of loudspeakers. If I were a dealer, no way I would do this, and I wouldn’t hold it against them for telling me to go pound sand if I made such a request.
Now, for a smallish pair of actives, Kii for example, this becomes more realistic, but for large floorstanders, I would never expect this from a dealer, nor will I ask them. Silliness.
Well that lasted 2 songs. While not as dynamic, the salon2 is so much more enjoyable to listen to. It may be time for me to sell these OG Forte II that I’ve owned for 30 years as my ears are not bleeding but in a bit of pain . Revels are so much smoother.
This how I skin the cat, always active. How do you do it?Once again Keith, actives not the only way to skin the cat.
LOL … well played sir, well playedThis how I skin the cat, always active. How do you do it?
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I can see myself out.
Not to offend your Fortes, but those are a literal broken design … every time I hear Klipsch, from the bottom of their lineup to the top, my ears literally detach from my skull and run away … listen to a well engineered compression/horn design and I strongly suspect you would have a very different opinion. My very modest JBL Studio 590s are anything but ear bleedersWell that lasted 2 songs. While not as dynamic, the salon2 is so much more enjoyable to listen to. It may be time for me to sell these OG Forte II that I’ve owned for 30 years as my ears are not bleeding but in a bit of pain . Revels are so much smoother.