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Technics SL 1210GR2 Turntable

Technics was smart. They realized the non-existant 'cogging' issues perpetuated by certain low tech belt drive makers and retailers was permanently attached to direct drive turntables since the 1970s. No matter what they did, it was something that wouldn't go away. There hasn't been measurable cogging in DDs since the early 1970s.

So, instead, they embraced it, spoke of it and said they'd solved it completely. If they'd done that in 1975, they would have killed belt drive completely and owned the market more than they did.

Thing is, many belt drive turntables have motors that have extreme amounts of cogging. It manifests as flutter in poorly decoupled systems.
Technics was smart. They realized the non-existant 'cogging' issues perpetuated by certain low tech belt drive makers and retailers was permanently attached to direct drive turntables since the 1970s. No matter what they did, it was something that wouldn't go away. There hasn't been measurable cogging in DDs since the early 1970s.

So, instead, they embraced it, spoke of it and said they'd solved it completely. If they'd done that in 1975, they would have killed belt drive completely and owned the market more than they did.

Thing is, many belt drive turntables have motors that have extreme amounts of cogging. It manifests as flutter in poorly decoupled systems.
H'mmm: That "cogging" should show up in the Wow And Flutter, I would think:
Now:

Technics SL 1210GR2​

Wow And Flutter
0.025 % W.R.M.S.
Rumble
78 dB

Then: My (1984-1988):

Technics SL-M3​

Wow and Flutter: 0.022% WRMS

Rumble: -82dB
 
Just upgrade the cartridge.
I have both a Dual 1229 (a fully automatic TT [with a SHURE V-15 TYPE IV Cartridge] {I have other Carts but this or the TYPE V are what I have settled on})

Specifications​

Drive: synchronous continuous-pole motor with radial elastic suspension

Platter: non-magnetic, dynamically balanced, weighing 3,1kg

Speeds: 33.33, 45 and 78rpm

Pitch control variation: 6%

Speed accuracy deviation: +-0.06%

Signal to noise ratio: -63dB weighted

Tonearm: extra-long, torsionally rigid metal arm, in 4-point gimbal suspension, with skeletal head design

Cartridge holder: removable, accepts all 1/2" cartridges from 1 to 12g

Dimensions: 376 x 308mm

Weight: 7.2kg

When adjusted properly (something that I have no issue doing [and it holds those adjustments for years]):
In my mind, it's good for all but the most critical listening.

For Critical listening (& absolutely unnecessary to enjoy record playback):
My other TT is a Technics SL-M3 (a fully automatic TT [with a SHURE ULTRA 300 Cartridge] {I have other Carts but this one is the one I settled on}).
This is a Linear Tracking P-Mount (T4P) setup.

Specifications​

Type: fully automatic

Drive method: direct drive

Motor: brushless DC motor

Drive control method: quartz phase locked control

Platter: 325mm, 2.5kg, aluminium die-cast

Pitch control: +-6% range

Speeds: 33 and 45rpm

Wow and flutter: 0.022% WRMS

Rumble: -82dB

Tonearm: dynamically-balanced linear tracking

Effective length: 238mm

Effective mass: 13g (including cartridge)

Cartridge: moving magnet

Replacement stylus: EPS-33ES

Dimensions: 526 x 205 x 425mm

Weight: 15kg

When adjusted properly (something that I have no issue doing [and it holds those adjustments for years])

Happy Listening!
Technics SL-M3 + SHURE ULTRA 300 Cartridge ????
 
Technics SL-M3 + SHURE ULTRA 300 Cartridge ????
Yes
The P-Mount (T4P) Ultra line was introduced in 1984 and quickly discontinued due to the introduction of the Compact Disc.

The replacement stylus is the Ultra 400S or the Ultra 300S (the only difference was the outer packaging & selection of the best of the best): beryllium tube cantilever 0.19mg: Ultra 400 (ML140HE upgraded with MR tip)
Ultra 300 Ultra 300S Micro-Ridge V15VxMR Tracking 1.2 to 1.7 Grams
Ultra 400 Ultra 400S Micro-Ridge V15xMR (.0015x.003 in.)

I also have many other SURE V15 type 5 P-Mounts
and a:
Grado Gold 3 (Gold3) P-mount T4P Phono Cartridge Specifications
- Type: Moving magnet
- Output voltage: 5mV
- Frequency response: 10Hz-60kHz
- Load impedance: 47k ohms
- Channel separation: 35dB
- Stylus type: Elliptical
- Stylus replacement: User replaceable
- Compliance: 20mm/N
- Tracking force: 1.0 - 2.0 g
- Recommended tracking force: 1.5 g
- Weight: 5.5 g

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I was gifted my Dual 721 from my father-in-law a few years back. I since built up a nice collection of new and used records. I have built up my audio equipment. While I do like the sound and overall performance of the Dual and VM540ML cart I can't help but wonder how much I'd gain in upgrading my table, and possibly my pre-amp (iZen Phono pre) I've had my eye on a Technics SL-1210GR2. I utilize the fully automatic functions of the 721 on every use, this is my biggest holdup, and I don't want to sacrifice this unless It's a significant audio upgrade. My preamp is an Anthem AVM70. Speakers: Polk R700
The 721 can tale a massive cartridge upgrade, believe it or not - this and the 701 were excellent 'sounding' decks regardless, and the 'lossy' vibe in the headshell and not very tight arm-height adjustment may well help with resonance transmission/absorption/dissipation here (I'd need @Frank Dernie to maybe confirm please, as Garrard made some surprisingly good 'sounding' auto decks using this technique which is totally opposite to the 'Linn' way...). One chap on VE, filed down the lip either side of the later 721 'TK' carrier and fitted a Rega Apheta to great effect and I've loved a Koetsu Black (original) in my 701 until a coil-wire broke and lost a channel (I keep threatening to have it re-wired as the tip is very low hours indeed but it's going to cost hundreds to do it I suspect and I'd only trust Expert Stylus Company with that kind of work I think, although Goldring do this work in the UK too at a price...). A more solid metal bodied cartridge doesn't seem to make the arm as microphonic in handling as some MM types do. I also have an Ortofon MC30 Super and a well-worn (sadly) Stilton bodied AT OC9 which the 701 arm is perfectly happy with, so a modern Ortofon Quintet or AT OC9 variant should be great for the 721 which has VTA adjustment.

The Pabst-made? 721 motor looks to be an ancestral design that influenced the current Technics one... and don't ignore the Dual's sprung deck plate as, despite the lightweight plinth, the stylus does seem to be very well isolated. I can pound the massy cabinet-top the deck is sitting on and nothing gets through at all. I had to work on my Technics SL1500s to get anywhere near that kind of isolation in the same situation (removing the lid when playing and in my case, bypassing the feet entirely!)

One thing if you want to try a good MC type of pickup in this once top-model Dual, the chassis is 'grounded' to one or both of the signal screens (the supplied cable is fine despite looking cheap). I'd suggest snipping the tie wire that does the 'grounding' on the terminal/muting block and running a separate thin flexible wire from said chassis point to the amp's 'earthing' terminal. Loads on VE in the 'Dual' room and service manuals can be got there too, as well as invaluable help and advice from Klaus (Dualcan) who has a site dedicated to stripping many Duals down for full refurbishment. The wiring diagram is on page 19 of the attached service manual I got from Vinyl Engine (hope they won't mind me sharing here).

There is an after-market metal mount available for the VM540 cartridge, which if like the VM740 (same stylus and body but metal fixing), may calm it down a little ;) This in itself I'd say is an upgrade worth more than a wholesale deck replacement unless you want a visual change of course ;)

P.S. I'm bothering to type the above as I do believe the top trad Duals of this era are still highly worthy models. cartridge sleds are still available (the new 'printed' versions look good judging by the one I have here), the motor electronics on the mk2 motors seem long lasting and the glass? thrust pad doesn't seem to wear at all if mine is anything to go by. I think the deck could compare with say, an SL1500C and if any real 'change' was to be made, one of the top 1200 versions may need looking at (the new swanky-price 1300 for exampke). The 721 would be at least a couple of thousand dollars if sold today, I'm sure...
 

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Yes
The P-Mount (T4P) Ultra line was introduced in 1984 and quickly discontinued due to the introduction of the Compact Disc.

The replacement stylus is the Ultra 400S or the Ultra 300S (the only difference was the outer packaging & selection of the best of the best): beryllium tube cantilever 0.19mg: Ultra 400 (ML140HE upgraded with MR tip)
Ultra 300 Ultra 300S Micro-Ridge V15VxMR Tracking 1.2 to 1.7 Grams
Ultra 400 Ultra 400S Micro-Ridge V15xMR (.0015x.003 in.)

I also have many other SURE V15 type 5 P-Mounts
and a:
Grado Gold 3 (Gold3) P-mount T4P Phono Cartridge Specifications
- Type: Moving magnet
- Output voltage: 5mV
- Frequency response: 10Hz-60kHz
- Load impedance: 47k ohms
- Channel separation: 35dB
- Stylus type: Elliptical
- Stylus replacement: User replaceable
- Compliance: 20mm/N
- Tracking force: 1.0 - 2.0 g
- Recommended tracking force: 1.5 g
- Weight: 5.5 g

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I dearly love the V15 VMR (mine was accidentally broken) and the Jico fancy replacements aren't the same sonically I gather. HiFi Choice in the mid 80s slightly preferred the ML140 model which 'measured' very similarly. Despite the highish arm mass, I remember how delightful a TD160mk1 sounded with a new HE stylus in a V15 III and I kick myself that I didn't get a VN25HE stylus when I had the chance as it really was an upgrade. I wonder if an AT VM740 might not be a modern match in this arm?

That Thorens mat could do with an upgrade though, as despite the looks, the disc support was judged poor. I found an 'EMT/147/160 Super' Thorens mat which I prefer sonically (mats really can make a difference but one can't make definitive suggestions here) and with the 160 suspension adjusted, the heavy rubber 'Avon' mat I have here, fleshes out the more lively tones of my 160mk2 (I really need to fetch it down for some use).

P.S. These Thorens bearings don't last as long as I thought they would and if I were you, I'd check the thrust pad at the bottom for a dimple sized wear spot as mine has. I 'fixed it' by getting a 1mm thick 8mm (larger for your bearing) disc made and squeezing it to lay flat in the bottom of the well. The extra 1mm platter height isn't an issue (VTA is fine tunable on the TP16 arm and cueing platform but it's a faff) and the platter sans belt spins for ages now as it did when new (a fair few drops of Mobil DTE Heavy (wee coloured) ISO 100 to replace the turbine oil originally used.
 
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The 721 can tale a massive cartridge upgrade, believe it or not - this and the 701 were excellent 'sounding' decks regardless, and the 'lossy' vibe in the headshell and not very tight arm-height adjustment may well help with resonance transmission/absorption/dissipation here (I'd need @Frank Dernie to maybe confirm please, as Garrard made some surprisingly good 'sounding' auto decks using this technique which is totally opposite to the 'Linn' way...). One chap on VE, filed down the lip either side of the later 721 'TK' carrier and fitted a Rega Apheta to great effect and I've loved a Koetsu Black (original) in my 701 until a coil-wire broke and lost a channel (I keep threatening to have it re-wired as the tip is very low hours indeed but it's going to cost hundreds to do it I suspect and I'd only trust Expert Stylus Company with that kind of work I think, although Goldring do this work in the UK too at a price...). A more solid metal bodied cartridge doesn't seem to make the arm as microphonic in handling as some MM types do. I also have an Ortofon MC30 Super and a well-worn (sadly) Stilton bodied AT OC9 which the 701 arm is perfectly happy with, so a modern Ortofon Quintet or AT OC9 variant should be great for the 721 which has VTA adjustment.

The Pabst-made? 721 motor looks to be an ancestral design that influenced the current Technics one... and don't ignore the Dual's sprung deck plate as, despite the lightweight plinth, the stylus does seem to be very well isolated. I can pound the massy cabinet-top the deck is sitting on and nothing gets through at all. I had to work on my Technics SL1500s to get anywhere near that kind of isolation in the same situation (removing the lid when playing and in my case, bypassing the feet entirely!)

One thing if you want to try a good MC type of pickup in this once top-model Dual, the chassis is 'grounded' to one or both of the signal screens (the supplied cable is fine despite looking cheap). I'd suggest snipping the tie wire that does the 'grounding' on the terminal/muting block and running a separate thin flexible wire from said chassis point to the amp's 'earthing' terminal. Loads on VE in the 'Dual' room and service manuals can be got there too, as well as invaluable help and advice from Klaus (Dualcan) who has a site dedicated to stripping many Duals down for full refurbishment. The wiring diagram is on page 19 of the attached service manual I got from Vinyl Engine (hope they won't mind me sharing here).

There is an after-market metal mount available for the VM540 cartridge, which if like the VM740 (same stylus and body but metal fixing), may calm it down a little ;) This in itself I'd say is an upgrade worth more than a wholesale deck replacement unless you want a visual change of course ;)

P.S. I'm bothering to type the above as I do believe the top trad Duals of this era are still highly worthy models. cartridge sleds are still available (the new 'printed' versions look good judging by the one I have here), the motor electronics on the mk2 motors seem long lasting and the glass? thrust pad doesn't seem to wear at all if mine is anything to go by. I think the deck could compare with say, an SL1500C and if any real 'change' was to be made, one of the top 1200 versions may need looking at (the new swanky-price 1300 for exampke). The 721 would be at least a couple of thousand dollars if sold today, I'm sure...

I appreciate the time and effort you put into this response. You’ve provided me with plenty of options and things to think about. Thank you!
 
The 721 can tale a massive cartridge upgrade, believe it or not - this and the 701 were excellent 'sounding' decks regardless, and the 'lossy' vibe in the headshell and not very tight arm-height adjustment may well help with resonance transmission/absorption/dissipation here (I'd need @Frank Dernie to maybe confirm please, as Garrard made some surprisingly good 'sounding' auto decks using this technique which is totally opposite to the 'Linn' way...). One chap on VE, filed down the lip either side of the later 721 'TK' carrier and fitted a Rega Apheta to great effect and I've loved a Koetsu Black (original) in my 701 until a coil-wire broke and lost a channel (I keep threatening to have it re-wired as the tip is very low hours indeed but it's going to cost hundreds to do it I suspect and I'd only trust Expert Stylus Company with that kind of work I think, although Goldring do this work in the UK too at a price...). A more solid metal bodied cartridge doesn't seem to make the arm as microphonic in handling as some MM types do. I also have an Ortofon MC30 Super and a well-worn (sadly) Stilton bodied AT OC9 which the 701 arm is perfectly happy with, so a modern Ortofon Quintet or AT OC9 variant should be great for the 721 which has VTA adjustment.

The Pabst-made? 721 motor looks to be an ancestral design that influenced the current Technics one... and don't ignore the Dual's sprung deck plate as, despite the lightweight plinth, the stylus does seem to be very well isolated. I can pound the massy cabinet-top the deck is sitting on and nothing gets through at all. I had to work on my Technics SL1500s to get anywhere near that kind of isolation in the same situation (removing the lid when playing and in my case, bypassing the feet entirely!)

One thing if you want to try a good MC type of pickup in this once top-model Dual, the chassis is 'grounded' to one or both of the signal screens (the supplied cable is fine despite looking cheap). I'd suggest snipping the tie wire that does the 'grounding' on the terminal/muting block and running a separate thin flexible wire from said chassis point to the amp's 'earthing' terminal. Loads on VE in the 'Dual' room and service manuals can be got there too, as well as invaluable help and advice from Klaus (Dualcan) who has a site dedicated to stripping many Duals down for full refurbishment. The wiring diagram is on page 19 of the attached service manual I got from Vinyl Engine (hope they won't mind me sharing here).

There is an after-market metal mount available for the VM540 cartridge, which if like the VM740 (same stylus and body but metal fixing), may calm it down a little ;) This in itself I'd say is an upgrade worth more than a wholesale deck replacement unless you want a visual change of course ;)

P.S. I'm bothering to type the above as I do believe the top trad Duals of this era are still highly worthy models. cartridge sleds are still available (the new 'printed' versions look good judging by the one I have here), the motor electronics on the mk2 motors seem long lasting and the glass? thrust pad doesn't seem to wear at all if mine is anything to go by. I think the deck could compare with say, an SL1500C and if any real 'change' was to be made, one of the top 1200 versions may need looking at (the new swanky-price 1300 for exampke). The 721 would be at least a couple of thousand dollars if sold today, I'm sure...
Could you point me to an after-market metal mount for the VM540 cartridge? This looks like a good place to start. I’m also thinking about getting the VM750SH. I have a spare Dual TK-24 sled (from eBay) that I could use, though I’m not a fan of the thick cabling—it makes the wires difficult to work with. Also, would you recommend the TK024 cartridge alignment gauge tool? I typically use the “8mm and 24mm” method (aligning straight in the headshell with the stylus tip 8mm from the front) for adjusting the cartridge to the sled.
 
Could you point me to an after-market metal mount for the VM540 cartridge? This looks like a good place to start. I’m also thinking about getting the VM750SH. I have a spare Dual TK-24 sled (from eBay) that I could use, though I’m not a fan of the thick cabling—it makes the wires difficult to work with. Also, would you recommend the TK024 cartridge alignment gauge tool? I typically use the “8mm and 24mm” method (aligning straight in the headshell with the stylus tip 8mm from the front) for adjusting the cartridge to the sled.
The Dual inner-null distance is around 58mm from disc centre and this broadly equates to the fixing bolts halfway in the carrier slots (I have the Dual gauges as well as accurate protractors). The 'Stevenson' 65mm distance means around 1 - 2mm further back (I think) in the slots.

Not sure of RigB has a site (I'm looking) but here's one such for the AT91/3600/Rega Carbon/EPO-E/Dual251E family






The Facebook page is a private one and currently may be the only source of purchase apart from the ebay link above.

These Dual arms are on the lively side of 'neutral,' but with a suitable high quality pickup and stylus, that's not necessarily a bad thing and the arm was used with CD-4 quadrophonic pickups with early Shibata styli with no issues at all (the 701 was seriously good and 'truthful' in 'sound' with an AT20SLa of fifty years back, a direct ancestor of the 750 and 760 models today I believe).
 
The Dual inner-null distance is around 58mm from disc centre and this broadly equates to the fixing bolts halfway in the carrier slots (I have the Dual gauges as well as accurate protractors). The 'Stevenson' 65mm distance means around 1 - 2mm further back (I think) in the slots.

Not sure of RigB has a site (I'm looking) but here's one such for the AT91/3600/Rega Carbon/EPO-E/Dual251E family






The Facebook page is a private one and currently may be the only source of purchase apart from the ebay link above.

These Dual arms are on the lively side of 'neutral,' but with a suitable high quality pickup and stylus, that's not necessarily a bad thing and the arm was used with CD-4 quadrophonic pickups with early Shibata styli with no issues at all (the 701 was seriously good and 'truthful' in 'sound' with an AT20SLa of fifty years back, a direct ancestor of the 750 and 760 models today I believe).

I agree with everything you’ve said. I really enjoy the “liveliness” the tonearm brings. I also have no issues with microphonic vibrations. That said, I’ve only had the chance to compare two different turntables in my system: the 721 with a VM540 and a newer Dual CS429 with the stock Ortofon 2M Red. I’m not particularly fond of the sound from the CS429—it feels muddy, dull, and harsh. I think this might be more about the stylus than the turntable itself, though. Eventually, I plan to swap out the 2M for something else.
If I do end up buying a VM750 or OC9XML for the 721, I may try the VM540 on the CS429 to see what improvements I can get. But in terms of sound quality, the CS429 definitely doesn’t hold a candle to the 45+ year-old 721. Cheers!
 
The CS429 doesn't look like a 'German made Dual' if that makes sense ('Dual' split a good while ago I recall), but it's so late a model it's way after me... So many 'solid plinth' decks can sound 'muddy' and that includes the Technics decks too, if they're not properly set up and sited in my experience. The 2M Red is to me a bit scrappy if anything, so I'd respectfully suggest the 'mud' could be a deck (siting?) issue. 2M Bronze is one I like a lot (I sadly don't know the black). The VM95ML or VM540 may work better in this deck.

Sorry for thread drift here! My suggestions about lid removal when playing, careful siting away from room corners and speakers, placed on a rigid light or massy support and so on. To those bewildered by the entire vinyl 'thang,' please leave us to it - it's about the last 'hobbyist' part of music reproduction I have left :D I *would* suggest a digital source as a reference, as many albums were not heavy-handed 'mastered' for digital and would make for a proper reference in the 'tining' of the vinyl system rather than just a nice subjective 'effect' which is what I believe too many analogue/vinyl people do to this day...
 
I dearly love the V15 VMR (mine was accidentally broken) and the Jico fancy replacements aren't the same sonically I gather. HiFi Choice in the mid 80s slightly preferred the ML140 model which 'measured' very similarly.
The JICO's are very good but not the same.
I highly recommend that you go to this thread on this site:

Introducing the Phono Cartridge Measurement Library​

 
Yes
The P-Mount (T4P) Ultra line was introduced in 1984 and quickly discontinued due to the introduction of the Compact Disc.

The replacement stylus is the Ultra 400S or the Ultra 300S (the only difference was the outer packaging & selection of the best of the best): beryllium tube cantilever 0.19mg: Ultra 400 (ML140HE upgraded with MR tip)
Ultra 300 Ultra 300S Micro-Ridge V15VxMR Tracking 1.2 to 1.7 Grams
Ultra 400 Ultra 400S Micro-Ridge V15xMR (.0015x.003 in.)

I also have many other SURE V15 type 5 P-Mounts
and a:
Grado Gold 3 (Gold3) P-mount T4P Phono Cartridge Specifications
- Type: Moving magnet
- Output voltage: 5mV
- Frequency response: 10Hz-60kHz
- Load impedance: 47k ohms
- Channel separation: 35dB
- Stylus type: Elliptical
- Stylus replacement: User replaceable
- Compliance: 20mm/N
- Tracking force: 1.0 - 2.0 g
- Recommended tracking force: 1.5 g
- Weight: 5.5 g

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SHURE ULTRA 300 Cartridge.
I want to see this model with The P-Mount (T4P)
What you see in the pictures is the 1/2 inch version.
 
SHURE ULTRA 300 Cartridge.
I want to see this model with The P-Mount (T4P)
What you see in the pictures is the 1/2 inch version.
Since the 300 & 400 were ONLY available in P-Mount models, I am SHURE that you will have no problem finding that. The ULTRA 500 was not P-Mount.
Here are some other SHURE P-Mounts.

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    Since you are being both demanding and condescending, you may find the others on your own.
 
Ponieważ modele 300 i 400 były dostępne TYLKO w modelach P-Mount, jestem PEWNY, że nie będziesz miał problemu ze znalezieniem ich. ULTRA 500 nie była P-Mount.
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    Ponieważ jesteś zarówno wymagający, jak i protekcjonalny, możesz sam znaleźć innych.
Wspaniała kolekcja Shure TP4, absolutnie fantastyczna!!! Ale nigdy nie było Shure 300 z mocowaniem T4P
Since the 300 & 400 were ONLY available in P-Mount models, I am SHURE that you will have no problem finding that. The ULTRA 500 was not P-Mount.
Here are some other SHURE P-Mounts.

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    Since you are being both demanding and condescending, you may find the others on your own.
Great Shure TP4 collection, absolutely fantastic!!! But there was never a Shure 300 with T4P mount.
 
Then please explain to me why it needs an adapter to be mounted in a normal head shell?
Could it be that the truth that you do not seem to grasp is that it ONLY CAME AS A T4P?
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Then please explain to me why it needs an adapter to be mounted in a normal head shell?
Could it be that the truth that you do not seem to grasp is that it ONLY CAME AS A T4P?
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This cartridge has a 1/2 inch mount, no adapter is needed for mounting.
This cartridge cannot be mounted to the T4P system
 
This cartridge has a 1/2 inch mount, no adapter is needed for mounting.
This cartridge cannot be mounted to the T4P system
This cartridge has a 1/2 inch mount, no adapter is needed for mounting.
This cartridge cannot be mounted to the T4P system
Ah'mmm OK, if you say so. .
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Reviews of the Shure Ultra 300 P-mount phono cartridge generally praise its sound quality for a P-mount cartridge, highlighting its good tracking ability, balanced frequency response, and decent detail retrieval, making it a solid choice for users with P-mount turntables who want a reliable and relatively high-performing option, though some may find it slightly lacking compared to higher-end standard mount cartridges; however, remember that the "Ultra" designation usually signifies a higher quality Shure cartridge within the P-mount category.

The one exception to SHURE's "ULTRA" line not being a P-mount was the "ULTRA" 500
I have had my TECHNICS SL-M3 TT since the mid-1980's and I do know what fits (All my SHURE LTs, ULTRA 300 & 400, my Technics and my GRADO P-MOUNT PRESTIGE GOLD 3.
My DUAL 1229 uses the other common mounting system.

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