Technics SL 1210GR2 Turntable

[JP]

Then please explain to me why it needs an adapter to be mounted in a normal head shell?
Could it be that the truth that you do not seem to grasp is that it ONLY CAME AS A T4P?

That’s not an adapter - it’s just the body style. Same as ML120 and ML140, the latter purported to be what the Ultra 300 and 300 were based on. I don’t see any evidence of any T4P Ultra models. @dlaloum likely has more specific knowledge on these.

 

[EJ3]

That’s not an adapter - it’s just the body style. Same as ML120 and ML140, the latter purported to be what the Ultra 300 and 300 were based on. I don’t see any evidence of any T4P Ultra models. @dlaloum likely has more specific knowledge on these.

With you and dlaloum being the about the only 2 I respect about this (as I have read much of both of your stuff elsewhere) then I must have the only 300 ULTRA P-Mount in existence.
And I have never (since I have been looking in 1984) seen one that was not P-Mount. Granted, once I had one, I looked no further [and, at the time, it was not particularly hard to find one]).

 

[JP]

With you and dlaloum being the about the only 2 I respect about this (as I have read much of both of your stuff elsewhere) then I must have the only 300 ULTRA P-Mount in existence.
And I have never (since I have been looking in 1984) seen one that was not P-Mount. Granted, once I had one, I looked no further [and, at the time, it was not particularly hard to find one]).

But the picture you posted is unequivocally not a p-mount. Is there a picture of one, anywhere?

 

[EJ3]

That’s not an adapter - it’s just the body style. Same as ML120 and ML140, the latter purported to be what the Ultra 300 and 300 were based on. I don’t see any evidence of any T4P Ultra models. @dlaloum likely has more specific knowledge on these.

Since I am not at my mother'

But the picture you posted is unequivocally not a p-mount. Is there a picture of one, anywhere?

I have been trying to find one, to no avail. On my SL-M3 at the moment I have a Technics P33 on it. At this house the only other cart I have on hand is a GRADO P-Mount Prestige GOLD 3 (GOLD 3) (whatever the heck that means) that arrived a few weeks ago. My other carts are at my mother's house and I am not going to get to there until Jan 10.
Her carts are for her DUAL 1229 and are intermingled with mine in a drawer of various smaller things like micrometers, calipers and carts.
At that point, I will know for sure (because doubts to my twice hit with COVID addled memory) have now been put in place.
I have to take my 90 year old mother (not at all weak & decrepit) to her lung Dr. having to do with some complications that she is experiencing from when she had whooping cough as a kid in WWII Austria.
At that point I'll be able to spend a bit of time there and sort through the carts & confirm my memories (or the opposite).
Unless someone comes up with pictures between now & then.
And I will post here when I find what I find.

 

[JP]

My grandmother was from Yugoslavia - came to the US after the war with my mom and uncle.

 

[Aero]

But (and I am not at all a fan of AI stuff) oddly correct. Which is why I posted it.

I want to see the Shure Ultra 300 with P-Mount. If I don't see such a version, it will mean that your level is the same as the "AI" level

 

[EJ3]

I want to see the Shure Ultra 300 with P-Mount. If I don't see such a version, it will mean that your level is the same as the "AI" levelYou just made sure tha

I WANT: want all you want to.
Do your own research then.

 

[EJ3]

With you and dlaloum being the about the only 2 I respect about this (as I have read much of both of your stuff elsewhere) then I must have the only 300 ULTRA P-Mount in existence.
And I have never (since I have been looking in 1984) seen one that was not P-Mount. Granted, once I had one, I looked no further [and, at the time, it was not particularly hard to find one]).

I will look into it when I get a chance. Sometimes memories are fickle & it's been since 2018 that I looked at it.

 

[narud]

the vst iii was available as a p mount. maybe youre thinking about one of those?

 

[EJ3]

the vst iii was available as a p mount. maybe youre thinking about one of those?

I'll know for SHURE in a couple of weeks when I go to my mother's & sort my P-Mount SHURE's from her "conventional" SHURES.
Until then, (mine, at least) is a mystery.

 

[EJ3]

the vst iii was available as a p mount. maybe youre thinking about one of those?

I did get the opportunity (timewise) to go to my mother's today and get the ultra 300 out of it's case and examine it. To those that say it is not a P-Mount, you are correct. What appears to be an adapter at a distance is just that: a protrusion that appears to be an adapter but under closer examination, is not.
In spite of one person being extremely rude, I am posting this here because learning the truth is why most of us are here (me included).
Based on the knowledge that I had been presented and having the item in question, with just a cursory look, I took that information to be true.
Because I did not do a close up examination of the unit in question (the ULTRA 300 in my possession, I made the same mistake that was passed on to me.
From my perspective, it's not a big mistake, as I'll just use it on my mother's TT that uses that mount.
But, another person who might be looking for an ULTRA 300 might have made a mistake because of my mistake.
Which would have continued to be my mistake IF NOT FOR THE GOOD PEOPLE HERE PUSHING FOR ME TO CHECK IT TO BE SURE. Thanks!

 

[EJ3]

But the picture you posted is unequivocally not a p-mount. Is there a picture of one, anywhere?

Under closer examination, it is not an adapter but part of the shell. So it is not a P-Mount, as I had been told. I just glanced at it & it appeared to me that it was an adapter, at the time. Since at a distance, it appeared to be an adapter, that's what I figured that it was. I was wrong, it is not.

 

[dlaloum]

I believe that there was indeed a T4p version of the Ultra300/400 - the ML120P.... which used the same needle mountings as the Ultra300/400.... (it is possible the needles were different though, as compliance would need to match T4p...)

However if you can find the rather rare ML120p body, and a (now just as rare) Ultra300/400 needle - it could be an interesting proposition.... (picture borrowed from US Audio Mart after a search...)

 

[Aero]

I believe that there was indeed a T4p version of the Ultra300/400 - the ML120P.... which used the same needle mountings as the Ultra300/400.... (it is possible the needles were different though, as compliance would need to match T4p...)

However if you can find the rather rare ML120p body, and a (now just as rare) Ultra300/400 needle - it could be an interesting proposition.... (picture borrowed from US Audio Mart after a search...)

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Absolutely amazing! It's like a Yeti!
Killer

 

[Descartes]

A little slumming the Web reveals a notice from Panasonic, evidently sent to dealers. The memo indicates that Panasonic owns the factory in Malaysia where Technics are made, so for those 'worried' that the decks are 'outsourced', this is evidently not the case.

So the question then, at least for the person who suggested that he was sold something 'inferior' because it was not made in Panasonic's Japan factory: What is the difference between a Panasonic factory in Japan and one in Malaysia? The only thing it could come down to would be the individual workers, and probably the food they eat at lunch break.

My bet would be that the machines used to fabricate the products are the same, except newer. Again, I suspect the poster who was worried about 'bait and switch' was just being foolish--hearing the word 'Malaysia' and thinking that was not as prestigious as the word 'Japan'.

_______________________________________________________

Greetings Technics Dealers,

I’d like to express our appreciation for your strong support and contribution to the continuing sales of Technics products.

This notice is to inform you that Panasonic has decided to relocate the production of Technics products currently manufactured in Utsunomiya, Japan, to our Malaysia production facilities effective April 1, 2021. This move will strengthen our logistics management by concentrating all our production resources to one facility while strengthening our competitive edge. The models involved are as follows: SL-1200GR/SL-1210GR/SL-1200G/SP-10R/SL-1000R

This change will enhance our Technics production and engineering. This process incorporates the most up-to-date technology standards and state-of-the-art mechanical manufacturing, which will ensure that the renowned Technics attention to detail will remain unchanged resulting in product quality that satisfies our most discriminating critics. As you may recall, our Malaysia factory has been manufacturing other fine products like the SC-C70MK2/SC-C30/SC-C50/SL-1200MK7/SL-1500C/SU-G700/SL-G700 and the new SU-R1000.

While we have paid due diligence to deliver as much product as possible from the Utsunomiya factory, the earliest arrivals from the new Malaysia factory will likely be end of May to mid-June. Please bear with us through the transition. The sales team will continue to provide details on your existing order fulfillment as they are informed.

Very sad!