BinkieHuckerback
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If you wanted a fight, should've picked Michael Fremer.
Romy the Cat did so here: http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&postID=1957#1957. Highly amusing.
I once bought grounding cables for my engine in the hope of improving performance, cheaper than hifi grounding cables mind you ..
Being an audiophile is a hobby different and independent of enjoying music. Everyone in the world enjoys music. Only a subset are audiophiles. For them, understanding technology is paramount. They all do it. Problem is, some like Steve, make up what matters rather than understanding the reality of it. But both camps are hugely into the gear itself. And what makes it tick.
In that sense, they are no different than car enthusiasts. As rightly said, in that world people don't dismiss technical aspects of their hobby and objective performance out of hand like some audiophiles & Steve do.
I once bought grounding cables for my engine in the hope of improving performance, cheaper than hifi grounding cables mind you ..
Its perfectly possible to be drawn into uneducated nonsense in all walks of life if ones enthusiasm out pases ones understanding .
I had a tech that showed me a quartz crystal wrapped in copper tape around his carburetor. I could write a book on the techs I had in my 42 years of working. I had another that checked an entire case of green Krylon out of lab supplies and painted his car on lunch break.
we're just saying that if car guy A says to car guy B - hey I'm all about the tech. Car guy B may say that's great but it's not why I bought this Ferrari or whatever. But he probably wouldn't look at car guy A funny and say oh you're one of those objectivists who's misunderstanding this hobby and get into a fight with him.Sorry, the analogy does not square with me. What are the technical aspects one would adhere to, in order to call themselves a car enthusiast?
we're just saying that if car guy A says to car guy B - hey I'm all about the tech. Car guy B may say that's great but it's not why I bought this Ferrari or whatever. But he probably wouldn't look at car guy A funny and say oh you're one of those objectivists who's misunderstanding this hobby and get into a fight with him.
So like 7%, 3%... ?Sports cars are an interesting analogy. They have gotten to the point where a production sports car is uninvolving and uninteresting on the road.
That may account for some of the interest in the sports cars of the 1960s to '70s. I am thinking of Porsche, Ferrari here, not a Miata.
Wrong. There is interest here in subjective reviews where extraneous variables are controlled.
You should have written that there is no interest in BS.
Many believe that consumer protection is important, including Congress and the Attorneys General of every state in the US. So don't use "saving" as a perjorative.
Being an audiophile is a hobby different and independent of enjoying music. Everyone in the world enjoys music. Only a subset are audiophiles. For them, understanding technology is paramount. They all do it. Problem is, some like Steve, make up what matters rather than understanding the reality of it. But both camps are hugely into the gear itself. And what makes it tick.
In that sense, they are no different than car enthusiasts. As rightly said, in that world people don't dismiss technical aspects of their hobby and objective performance out of hand like some audiophiles & Steve do.
Almost impossible to undo 30 years of indoctrination, but younger guys appear to understand the science and are hugely dismissive of the BS.
Keith
Almost impossible to undo 30 years of indoctrination, but younger guys appear to understand the science and are hugely dismissive of the BS.
Keith
I wonder what percentage of sports cars that cost more than a supercharged C7 Corvette have superior technical performance.
Only in as much as the majority of SBIR speakers we sell are to young professional customers, having said there have been a number of older listeners who whilst acknowledging their superiority just can’t face the fuss and financial loss of selling their existing kit.
Keith
If they had someone else buy that gear with no research, then I call them music lovers. There are plenty of wealthy individuals who have their "agent" shop for them for example and "get them the best there is." They have no interest, nor any time to spend on figuring out what hardware is the best. They want to just enjoy music or show off the gear, or both. We never see or run into these people in these circles. But they are responsible for ton of high-end audio gear purchases.If a guy has a pair of Salons and hardware to match, and listens to music while doing nothing else, but dosnt know the difference between class B and C amps he's not an audiophile?