• WANTED: Happy members who like to discuss audio and other topics related to our interest. Desire to learn and share knowledge of science required. There are many reviews of audio hardware and expert members to help answer your questions. Click here to have your audio equipment measured for free!

Hypex NC500MP capacitor failure

GXAlan

Major Contributor
Forum Donor
Joined
Jan 15, 2020
Messages
3,925
Likes
6,066
I don't think 10-20 years is a long life expectancy for an amp. Where did you see this info from Marantz?
I agree. But my 1980's and 1960's amps have been serviced/recapped and had transistors replaced. I think 20 years without service is what I would expect from 2000-era Sony, Denon, Marantz, Parasound etc.


@dualazmak can do a real translation, but the auto-translation seems reasonable

=========
スピーカーリレーの排除によって音の純度をさらに高めた
The purity of the sound has been further improved by eliminating the speaker relay

ーー PM-10の発売は、SA-10より約半年、延びることになりました。
The announcement of the PM-10 was half-a-year behind the SA-10.

村山氏 発表が遅れた理由は、主にスピーカーリレーに関連する部分に時間がかかったためです。一般的なアンプにはスピーカーリレーが使われることが多いですが、PM-10にはありません。スイッチングアンプの出力段は電流のオン/オフのスイッチのようなものなので、リレーと同じ役割が担えるからです。

The reason for the delay in the announcement was that it took more time, mainly for the part related to the speaker relay. Speaker relays are often used in general amplifiers, but the PM-10 does not. This is because the output stage of a switching amplifier is like a current on/off switch, so it can perform the same role as a relay.

[my commentary: "mainly" not exclusively -- they are trying to hype up the delay as a feature not a bug]


スピーカーリレーは保護回路の役割も果たしますが、音質を第一に考えるとないにこしたことはありません。しかし、スイッチングアンプなら単純にリレーを外すことができるというわけではなく、様々なケアが必要になり、ここに時間がかかったのです。

Speaker relays also play the role of protection circuits, but if you put sound quality first, you will never be disappointed. However, switching amplifiers did not simply allow the relay to be removed, and various care was required, which took a long time.

澤田氏 理屈の上では、Hypexのモジュールはスピーカーリレーが必要ありません。しかし、購入していただいて10年・20年と経った後、部品が経年変化しても大丈夫という保証までするためには、Hypexの仕様だけに頼るわけにはいきません。この点について社内の基準をクリアするのに苦労しました。


In theory, Hypex modules do not require speaker relays. However, in order to guarantee that parts will be safe even if they age after 10 or 20 years of purchase, we cannot rely only on Hypex specifications. We struggled to meet internal standards in this regard.

[my commentary: Marantz shipped a ton of HypeX UcD amps and they even bragged about making a Class D amp for B&W subwoofers in the past, so they aren't new to Class D. If you read the whole interview, they really "hint" that the European division is why they went with Class D instead of Class AB for the new reference, but that they did work really hard to make it work. I think they talk about relays since that fits in with the audiophile marketing story of less-in-the-signal path, but it's the first time I see something with specific years and an OEM saying they don't rely on Hypex specifications.]

=========
And if you look at the protection circuit on the PM-10, they seem to run the NC500OEM in software mode.

1692852972413.png
 

dualazmak

Major Contributor
Forum Donor
Joined
Feb 29, 2020
Messages
2,854
Likes
3,075
Location
Ichihara City, Chiba Prefecture, Japan
@dualazmak can do a real translation, but the auto-translation seems reasonable

Yes, those AI translation look quite nice and OK, I believe.
 
OP
TimoJ

TimoJ

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 9, 2019
Messages
427
Likes
472
Location
Finland
but IDing the vaporized parts required another unit because Hypex don't give a damn and won't provide schematics or parts lists.
In my case Hypex technical support was helpful, answered my questions (7 replies) and seemed to care.
 

JSmith

Master Contributor
Joined
Feb 8, 2021
Messages
5,224
Likes
13,483
Location
Algol Perseus
Very curious to know what you find wrong with these.
Here's one;
Vaporised SMD components hanging off the primary side SMPS switching transistors. Basically, The board flexes under pressure (from the squishy "thermal" pad), so the transistors (FETs) are not adequately thermally coupled any longer to the aluminium spreader. They eventually fail from over heating (these particular devices are both internally shorted) and they take out some associated components around them:


JSmith
 
Top Bottom