Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

[Mykola]

Some people want ready to go system to save time on actual listening. So it depends on goals .

 

[Pearljam5000]

Also i guarantee you the 8361 would sound better if it had a beryllium tweeter
Maybe someday...

 

[lherrm]

Also i guarantee you the 8361 would sound better if it had a beryllium tweeter
Maybe someday...

Sorry @Pearljam5000 but this kind of statement is just laughable.
Beryllium is nowhere in Genelec lineup, yet you, as a consumer, "guarantee" it would make their TOTL speaker not only measure but sound better ? Make sure you drop an email to their R&D to help them.
Come on.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Sorry @Pearljam5000 but this kind of statement is just laughable.
Beryllium is nowhere in Genelec lineup, yet you, as a consumer, "guarantee" it would make their TOTL speaker not only measure but sound better ? Make sure you drop an email to their R&D to help them.
Come on.

Dude
Every beryllium tweeter I've heard was Amazing, especially Focal
Also as a material it's 7 times more rigid than aluminum so I'm assuming it will sound better I'm also assuming they're not using it because it's much more expensive

 

[lherrm]

Dude
Every beryllium tweeter I've heard was Amazing, especially Focal
Also as a material it's 7 times more rigid than aluminum so I'm assuming it will sound better I'm also assuming they're not using it because it's much more expensive

The fact you had a good experience with some beryllium tweeter doesn't mean anything.
You can find Beryllium tweeter in the 960€ Focal Solo 6. This price is amongst the least expensive of Genelec speakers.
You really think Genelec cuts on cost vs quality ? From my point of view and their market positionning, their philosophy is quite the opposite.
Yes, Beryllium is more rigid than aluminium, but what does it bring to the table, if aluminium is stiff enough ?
From https://community.genelec.com/forum/-/message_boards/message/933654#/ :

What use is a breakup frequency higher than 25KHz if the hearing and signal stops at 20KHz ?

 

[Pearljam5000]

The fact you had a good experience with some beryllium tweeter doesn't mean anything.
You can find Beryllium tweeter in the 960€ Focal Solo 6. This price is amongst the least expensive of Genelec speakers.
You really think Genelec cuts on cost vs quality ? From my point of view and their market positionning, their philosophy is quite the opposite.
Yes, Beryllium is more rigid than aluminium, but what does it bring to the table, if aluminium is stiff enough ?
From https://community.genelec.com/forum/-/message_boards/message/933654#/ :
View attachment 201970
What use is a breakup frequency higher than 25KHz if the hearing and signal stops at 20KHz ?

Every company cut costs
The solo 6 is an exception
Genelec themselves think there is use for frequencies higher than 25KHZ(8361 specs)

 

[lherrm]

1) Every company cut costs
2) The solo 6 is an exception
3)View attachment 201971

1) This means nothing. Each company has a philosophy/goals and tries to achieve them. Genelec seems to consistently aim at giving the best sound quality, use expensive die-cast aluminium enclosure, but cuts on tweeter to keep the cost low ? How logical is that ?
2) How so ? Did you participate in the design of the speaker ?
3) Maybe because it can handle it, but doesn't mean it's useful. Their biggest main 1236 only handles frequency up to 26 KHz :

Does it mean its treble handling is flawed by design ?

 

[Pearljam5000]

1) This means nothing. Each company has a philosophy/goals and tries to achieve them. Genelec seems to consistently aim at giving the best sound quality, use expensive die-cast aluminium enclosure, but cuts on tweeter to keep the cost low ? How logical is that ?
2) How so ? Did you participate in the design of the speaker ?
3) Maybe because it can handle it, but doesn't mean it's useful. Their biggest main 1236 only handles frequency up to 26 KHz :
View attachment 201972
Does it mean its treble handling is flawed by design ?

Life beyond 20kHz

"At least one member of each instrument family (strings, woodwinds, brass and percussion) produces energy to 40 kHz or above, and the spectra of some instruments extend beyond 100 kHz. Harmonics of muted trumpet extend to 80 kHz; violin and oboe, to above 40 kHz; and a cymbal crash was still...

www.psaudio.com

 

[lherrm]

Life beyond 20kHz

"At least one member of each instrument family (strings, woodwinds, brass and percussion) produces energy to 40 kHz or above, and the spectra of some instruments extend beyond 100 kHz. Harmonics of muted trumpet extend to 80 kHz; violin and oboe, to above 40 kHz; and a cymbal crash was still...

www.psaudio.com

Well, if PSAudio and Paul McGowan say so.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Well, if PSAudio and Paul McGowan say so.

Actually I've read this theory in other places.
Anyways yes to me beryllium is better and yes over 20khz does make a difference

 

[lherrm]

Alright.

 

[Dgob]

I needed less time than I thought to make up my mind about the need for subwoofers with the 8361A's. Remembering that I can only state what applies in my listening room with dimensions of (L x W x H) 15ft x 13ft x 8.5ft, and specific room treatments.

I was advised by Marcel Schechter at Genelec and made adjustments using the SAC and various comparative group profiles, which could be tested and compared at the same time. I ultimately selected the one that suits my ears and environment best and saved this to the monitors as well as saving it to the Genelec cloud.

Well, any semblance of superior midrange fullness that I favoured in the Revel F208's has now completely evaporated with the midrange that I am getting from my Genelecs. Also, and more relevant here, the bass is simply superb. So much so that I will now also have a pair of the original Velodyne DD12 subs for sale. (These monitors are truly proving to be cost effective! ).

So in short, "no", I do NOT need a sub with these monitors. Blown away, completely!!

I've just managed to set up my 7360A subwoofer to drive both my 8361A's. In my room, I ended up with a 75Hz crossover and it makes a BIG difference. Midrange detail and overall timbre are hugely enhanced by the monitors not having to do the heavy lifting of the bottom end. Space and funds left me with a single 7360A (rather than two), but at this crossover point it has no negative impact on perfect 3D stereo imaging.

Had I space enough and funds, I might have gone for 2 of the 7370A's (or two of these 7360A's) for perfect stereo, but I really cannot see/hear how things could get any better. No doubt, when I pull the trigger on a second 7360A, I will have to revise my opinion on the basis of being able to use an even higher crossover point - and therefore taking even more strain off the monitors. I just cannot find a limit to the Ones and Genelec set ups. Unbelievable realism.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I've just managed to set up my 7360A subwoofer to drive both my 8361A's. In my room, I ended up with a 75Hz crossover and it makes a BIG difference. Midrange detail and overall timbre are hugely enhanced by the monitors not having to do the heavy lifting of the bottom end. Space and funds left me with a single 7360A (rather than two), but at this crossover point it has no negative impact on perfect 3D stereo imaging.

Had I space enough and funds, I might have gone for 2 of the 7370A's (or two of these 7360A's) for perfect stereo, but I really cannot see/hear how things could get any better. No doubt, when I pull the trigger on a second 7360A, I will have to revise my opinion on the basis of being able to use an even higher crossover point - and therefore taking even more strain off the monitors. I just cannot find a limit to tne Ones and Genelec set ups. Unbelievable realism.

Damn
That's an end game setup for sure

 

[Kervel]

I've just managed to set up my 7360A subwoofer to drive both my 8361A's. In my room, I ended up with a 75Hz crossover and it makes a BIG difference. Midrange detail and overall timbre are hugely enhanced by the monitors not having to do the heavy lifting of the bottom end. Space and funds left me with a single 7360A (rather than two), but at this crossover point it has no negative impact on perfect 3D stereo imaging.

Had I space enough and funds, I might have gone for 2 of the 7370A's (or two of these 7360A's) for perfect stereo, but I really cannot see/hear how things could get any better. No doubt, when I pull the trigger on a second 7360A, I will have to revise my opinion on the basis of being able to use an even higher crossover point - and therefore taking even more strain off the monitors. I just cannot find a limit to tne Ones and Genelec set ups. Unbelievable realism.

Wouldn't a single 7360 severely limit the overall system SPL? That sub hits 109db while the 8361 goes 119 according to Genelec. Did you try cranking up the volume?

 

[Sancus]

Wouldn't a single 7360 severely limit the overall system SPL? That sub hits 109db while the 8361 goes 119 according to Genelec. Did you try cranking up the volume?

That depends entirely on the content and crossover. If you have bass light content it probably doesn't matter. If you have bass heavy content, basically ANY setup is sub-limited. The 8361A itself only goes to 109dB with pink noise as the source, and it rolls off higher than a good sub. There was a user who had 2x7370s and found they couldn't keep up with 8351Bs! It took two JTR RS2s to remove the sub-bass bottleneck.

To actually keep up with 8361As on bass heavy content you're looking at something like 2-3 7380As at a minimum or a 7382A. Even that might not actually be enough for HT content in a large room.

 

[Kervel]

That depends entirely on the content and crossover. If you have bass light content it probably doesn't matter. If you have bass heavy content, basically ANY setup is sub-limited.

Are you sure about that? I had guessed that GLM just reduces the max SPL digitally on the monitors to cope with the sub being the 'weakest link'. This way, the whole system gives consistent SPL for all content. If you allow the system to play SPL as a function of content, then bass light music would go extremely lound, but then suddenly the volume needs to be reduced when the kick drum kicks in.

I had seen the other thread. I asked to get more balanced feedback, being aware of some members having rather extreme SPL requierements

 

[samysound]

Are you sure about that? I had guessed that GLM just reduces the max SPL digitally on the monitors to cope with the sub being the 'weakest link'. This way, the whole system gives consistent SPL for all content. If you allow the system to play SPL as a function of content, then bass light music would go extremely lound, but then suddenly the volume needs to be reduced when the kick drum kicks in.

I had seen the other thread. I asked to get more balanced feedback, being aware of some members having rather extreme SPL requierements

GLM does not reduce max spl to cope with the "weakest link". The monitors and subs have clipping protection circuits that kick in to prevent damage to the respective speaker depending on the input signal. so if the sub is the weakest link, the clipping lights may show and output would be limited only on the sub while the monitors would be playing just fine

 

[Sancus]

Are you sure about that? I had guessed that GLM just reduces the max SPL digitally on the monitors to cope with the sub being the 'weakest link'. This way, the whole system gives consistent SPL for all content. If you allow the system to play SPL as a function of content, then bass light music would go extremely lound, but then suddenly the volume needs to be reduced when the kick drum kicks in.

I think you have a technical misunderstanding here. The max SPL of a monitor or sub has no real relation to how loud it will play given a particular music signal until it reaches its absolute limit. GLM of course level matches to compensate for distance, but again that has nothing to do with max SPL.

I had seen the other thread. I asked to get more balanced feedback, being aware of some members having rather extreme SPL requierements

You asked if a 7360A will severely limit the SPL of a system including it and an 8361A and the answer is yes, it will, if the content's loudest frequencies are in the 7360A's frequency range.

If you were really asking whether 7360A+8361A will play *less loud* than 8361A by itself, the answer is no, absolutely not. It will still play louder than 8361A by itself.

Whether or not a particular combination of monitor and sub plays loud enough *for you* is also a different question. Pretty much all modern subs will compress at certain frequencies if they're asked to play too loud, often they will do this with no feedback or audible strain at all. So most people have no clue when they're being sub limited.

Genelec's subs at least do have a clip light so it should be easy to determine when they're hitting their limit.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I think you have a technical misunderstanding here. The max SPL of a monitor or sub has no real relation to how loud it will play given a particular music signal until it reaches its absolute limit. GLM of course level matches to compensate for distance, but again that has nothing to do with max SPL.

You asked if a 7360A will severely limit the SPL of a system including it and an 8361A and the answer is yes, it will, if the content's loudest frequencies are in the 7360A's frequency range.

If you were really asking whether 7360A+8361A will play *less loud* than 8361A by itself, the answer is no, absolutely not. It will still play louder than 8361A by itself.

Whether or not a particular combination of monitor and sub plays loud enough *for you* is also a different question. Pretty much all modern subs will compress at certain frequencies if they're asked to play too loud, often they will do this with no feedback or audible strain at all. So most people have no clue when they're being sub limited.

Genelec's subs at least do have a clip light so it should be easy to determine when they're hitting their limit.

Realistically can you use the 8361 as a normal "hi-fi" speaker sitting 3m from it, without subs in a not so big room?is 109db enough?

 

[Sancus]

Realistically can you use the 8361 as a normal "hi-fi" speaker sitting 3m from it, without subs in a not so big room?is 109db enough?

Yes, of course. That's 109dB for 1 speaker only. It's plenty for that use case unless you're a bass head or into content with heavy bass and then you already know that systems without subs are pointless no matter what the speakers are.