Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

[Olius]

For those who have the 8361 as LCR, Would you mind to share the photos?

jhenderson0107 posted some photos on page 85:

Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

Welcome to the club!! The custom stands look fantastic too! I’ll let you know how things sound once the W371a’s arrive in April (I don’t have room for the 7380 sub so won’t be going there) I would like to know whether the image deteriorates or not as the system is not "coaxial" anymore.

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[Ardrazzt]

jhenderson0107 posted some photos on page 85:

Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

Welcome to the club!! The custom stands look fantastic too! I’ll let you know how things sound once the W371a’s arrive in April (I don’t have room for the 7380 sub so won’t be going there) I would like to know whether the image deteriorates or not as the system is not "coaxial" anymore.

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Thank you

 

[Sieniek]

I chose the MiniDSP SHD Studio version. I'm feeding it with my computer as a USB source and the output is via AES/EBU digital to the Genelecs. It allows me to use the volume control on the MiniDSP and you have the marked benefit of being able to do DSP to equalize the output using DIRAC Live. I also stream via Roon to the MiniDSP over an ethernet connection. It works superbly.

And if you don't mind to ask you an question:

How to add Rythmik subwoofers to such a system if you have Minidsp SHD Studio ? Is it possible at all ? Or would I need something different than that Minidsp ?

 

[Eetu]

And if you don't mind to ask you an question:

How to add Rythmik subwoofers to such a system if you have Minidsp SHD Studio ? Is it possible at all ? Or would I need something different than that Minidsp ?

Simply add a separate DAC between the Studio and your sub(s). An inexpensive ~100€/$ one should be more than enough.

 

[Sieniek]

Simply add a separate DAC between the Studio and your sub(s). An inexpensive ~100€/$ one should be more than enough.

Thank you for your reply and a great advice. I didn't thought about that before and I've thought it would be better to have Minidsp SHD full for that purpose but you're obviously right.

From what I understand AES/EBU out 1/2 from SHD Studio will go to AES/EBU in of Genelecs and SPDIF out 3/4 from SHD Studio will go to SPDIF in of any stereo DAC ?

If that's how I understand it seems like the best available solution and there is a Dirac Live on the board extra, nice.

I was thinking more of using Dirac Live Bass Control on windows through usb from my laptop to Minidsp SHD Studio. Would that be possible in such an audio chain ?

Once again, many thanks ! You've cleared my mind and now I know what to do.

 

[Eetu]

From what I understand AES/EBU out 1/2 from SHD Studio will go to AES/EBU in of Genelecs and SPDIF out 3/4 from SHD Studio will go to SPDIF in of any stereo DAC ?

If that's how I understand it seems like the best available solution and there is a Dirac Live on the board extra, nice.

I was thinking more of using Dirac Live Bass Control on windows through usb from my laptop to Minidsp SHD Studio. Would that be possible in such an audio chain ?

Once again, many thanks ! You've cleared my mind and now I know what to do.

No problem! Sounds about right.

For me, one of the main selling points of MiniDSP is that you don't have to keep a PC in the chain (except when taking measurements). If you plan to use a laptop + DLBC another option would be to use a USB digital audio interface. Perhaps something to consider. Can't give you any specific recommendations (since I only have lowly analog-only Genelecs ) but you probably find some on this thread.

 

[Sieniek]

No problem! Sounds about right.

For me, one of the main selling points of MiniDSP is that you don't have to keep a PC in the chain (except when taking measurements). If you plan to use a laptop + DLBC another option would be to use a USB digital audio interface. Perhaps something to consider. Can't give you any specific recommendations (since I only have lowly analog-only Genelecs ) but you probably find some on this thread.

I agree with you about Minidsp SHD Studio as I've had in the past SHD full and it was good to have Dirac live working no matter which player or source I was using.

So is that mean that I could still use SHD Studio with DLBC running from pc then ? Or there would be any problems or downsides compared to USB digital audio interface ?

As I understand a USB digital audio interface should be a cheaper option than SHD Studio.

I assume I would need one with AES/EBU channel 1/2 output and XLR or RCA (or both if possible) channel 3/4 output ?

Thanks again

Edit: ohh forgive me it looks like I didn't understand everything correctly I think.
Did you meant more like this:

https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/digi...i2s-aes-2x-tcxo-otg-24bit-192khz-p-10547.html

? This way I would connect AES/EBU to Genelec active speakers and SPDIF output or TOSLINK output to another stereo DAC for connection of my Rythmik subs and then doing my 2.2 DLBC and all DSP from my laptop right ?

I'm sorry I'm still finding myself a newbie in a lot of audio but there is never too late to learn

 

[Hmast]

Hello,

Is there some whitepaper or anything related to the speakers of the Ones?

If not, do you know at least the material used for each speakers? I guess the bass ones are made of paper, the tweeter is a metal dome (?), but what about the medium?

 

[NiagaraPete]

Is there some whitepaper or anything related to the speakers of the Ones?

Genelec offers lots of info on their website. There is some cone info.

8361A SAM™ Studio Monitor - Genelec.com

The flagship of The Ones range, the 8361A offers the most advanced acoustic performance of any studio monitor on the planet.

www.genelec.com

 

[Hmast]

Sadly, I cannot find any info about the medium's material in these specs.

 

[NiagaraPete]

Sadly, I cannot find any info about the medium's material in these specs.

Is this not what you asked for?

Treble
Driver type
8361A treble driver metal dome (coaxial)
Midrange
Driver type
Coaxial
8361A midrange driver cone (coaxial)
Bass
Driver type
Racetrack
Dual 263 x 137 mm (103/8 x 53/8 in) obround cones
Count
2

 

[Pearljam5000]

Sadly, I cannot find any info about the medium's material in these specs.

On the 8260 it was foam
I assume it's the same

 

[NiagaraPete]

Sadly, I cannot find any info about the medium's material in these specs.

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by medium?

 

[Pearljam5000]

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by medium?

Midrange driver material

 

[Hmast]

Oops, thanks Pearljam5000, yes I meant midrange. Medium might be a word from my native language I thought to be English as well.

 

[Pearljam5000]

A8010 on a 8361 lol

 

[outfaced]

Please do and post results.

MiniDSP SHD Studio alternatives

Hi all, My current audio set up includes a pair of Genelec 8341AWM monitors combined with a pair of non-Genelec 12" active subwoofers. I use a MiniDSP SHD (full fat version) as volume control, input selection and parametric EQ for my two subs. I have decided to take the plunge and go for an...

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About the interesting topic Dirac vs GLM.
Because i didn't get the GLM kit right away and also was actually convinced that Dirac must be more than enough I listened my 8351B for few months first only over Dirac.
After all i decided to test the GLM ... and i am pretty surprised first from the big difference and then that the clear winner is GLM. Far better image-soundstage and much more balanced sound. Dirac sounds more thin and flat on one side and to focused in some way. Even more surrprising - GLM did it better with the bass.
I played with the alredy over GLM calibrated speakers to calibrate them furthermore with Dirac ... and got messurabale and audible worse result as with GLM only.

 

[Hmast]

Hi, I was wondering whether speaker horizontal toe-in/out has an impact on image (it has) and why.

If we look at the dispersion figures of the 8361A, we can see the freq response is the same within a 50° angle. So what changes when we toe-in/out the speakers slightly and makes the stereo image different while the fq response doesn't change? I guess image is not related to fq response, so what is it related to?

 

[Eetu]

Hi, I was wondering whether speaker horizontal tilting has an impact on image (it has) and why.

If we look at the dispersion figures of the 8361A, we can see the freq response is the same within a 50° angle. So what changes when we tilt the speakers slightly inward or outward and makes the stereo image different while the fq response doesn't change? I guess image is not related to fq response, so what is it related to?

It's not the same, it's the same within 6dB. If we compare, for example, the 0 and 30 deg horizontal response we can see the 30 deg off-axis has roughly 2dB less energy in the treble.

Also take into account that when you toe-in/out the speaker you change the side wall reflections which of course has an impact on the soundstage.

 

[thewas]

Video documentary about the Genelec factory and production of the Ones.

Industrie 4.0 (2.4) - Video - WELT

Pro Jahr werden in der Kellogg's-Fabrik in Wales achtzigtausend Tonnen Frühstücksflocken hergestellt. Die chinesische Firma Singamas produziert jährlich mehr als 300.000 Frachtcontainer.

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From 22:42 to 32:15, in German language.