Eversolo DMP-10, new release 25 october

[Sokel]

Should have known the NAD shill would turn up here!

No, it is not a safe and acceptable means of HT Bypass using the preset feature, not by a long shot. The user Nocko has explained this to you on several occasions in the M66 thread, if the input is changed then the volume remains at home theatre preset level, i.e max! - every time you change away from the HT preset you do not want to have the device left at literally speaker blowing levels.
Tbh it sounds like an easy firmware job really, assign a default volume to each input..... hopefully they will do this, but until then it's not a safe (and more pertinently idiot proof) method.

That's a horror story there,I was not aware of that.
Nad should know better,WAY better.

Levels and their fail-safes are the utmost critical implementation in an audio device - any audio device.
That's a VERY hard pass for it.

 

[GaryY]

I think the writing should have been on the wall the moment we saw the superficial 'cooling fins'. I can't see much of their existing customer base being interested at this price. For me this probably means a Node Icon - which looks better featured (and cheaper) than the A8.

Their was certain pleasant ownership feeling with A8 though 1990 euro is acceptable or not is questionable depending on person to person. Also it was very nice to use built in streaming app with less hickup with software compared to other gears...But close to 4000 euro is.... well....way too much.

Edit> for example...minidsp shd has built in Tidal, but sometiems it works only with built in connection in mnidsp, sometimes only with tidal app from android...this is very annoying and finally i moved to spotify.

 

[Galliardist]

Indeed it isn’t about common mode noise affecting the data stream, but about leaking into the DAC where the digits are converted to analogue is my understanding. Again, not an expert on this topic myself, but this is what I’ve read as main argument why fiber optic is considered as beneficial over Ethernet in a hifi context by some.

The measurements I've seen for some of these devices suggest that in fact there is more noise generated by the optical to electrical conversion than there would be from a conventional Ethernet run of reasonable length from a nearby $50 switch to your streamer/DAC. So there should be no need to bother. And given that, it's another unfounded claim, until proven by proper and appropriate testing for a particular use case and converter.

 

[Kblade]

I think the writing should have been on the wall the moment we saw the superficial 'cooling fins'. I can't see much of their existing customer base being interested at this price. For me this probably means a Node Icon - which looks better featured (and cheaper) than the A8.i Why not try a wiim ultra? Is it not as good?

 

[pogo]

every time you change away from the HT preset you do not want to have the device left at literally speaker blowing levels.

Is it possible that you don't know BluOS and/or the M66?
If you have programmed the presets correctly, including the initial volume levels of the individual sources, you will not be able to destroy your speakers using the remote control.

Back to the A10...

 

[MingChops]

Is it possible that you don't know BluOS and/or the M66?
If you have programmed the presets correctly, including the initial volume levels of the individual sources, you will not be able to destroy your speakers using the remote control.

Back to the A10...

I've used BluOS since the Node 2i, only recently have I moved my main system back to LMS over it. The M66, no I have not used one.
The user @Nocko! however has owned (now returned) and documented the issue with the M66 and your supposed HT Bypass workaround clearly and often.

Personally as to who's information is credible or not, I elect to believe the user with first hand experience and a use case requirement that aligns to my own.

Look you're a knowledgeable guy and clearly passionate about HiFi, but your persistent postings (which are at best blind faith, and at worst disingenuous promotion) refusing to accept any iota of criticism towards NAD, makes you the most untrustworthy person on this site frankly! A crying shame, but as they say, reputations precede and all that...

 

[fredoamigo]

Why would the dual sub outs be for suckers?

It appears the A10 will provide the facility to delay mains and subs, and provide full DSP (crossover control and PEQ), then that's literally everything you really need to get an excellent level of sub integration (assuming sufficient knowledge with say REW). Certainly better than your typical preamp that expects you to use a full range preout to a sub(s), and no means to delay the mains.

It seems like it will also have it's own correction system as well, although for my own use I would have been ok with a lower price and no automatic system. Unless it proves to be as good as say DLBC, in which case it might help justify towards the cost of the unit.

I may have exaggerated when talking about the "pigeons "suckers", that's true, but I'm waiting to be able to download the manual (The A10 manual is not yet available on the Eversolo website.) for this device to see what it's really about. However, for now, nothing tells me that I'll be able to effectively manage the bass with external software. There are still many question marks, like the internal storage without the possibility of backup? For which microphone input? USB? The only certainty I have is its price, and since it's not exactly cheap, we have the right to be suspicious.

 

[Purité Audio]

Manage bass with external software?
Surely the idea of a back up is to have it stored somewhere away from the original?
Keith

 

[Nocko!]

I've used BluOS since the Node 2i, only recently have I moved my main system back to LMS over it. The M66, no I have not used one.
The user @Nocko! however has owned (now returned) and documented the issue with the M66 and your supposed HT Bypass workaround clearly and often.

Is it possible that you don't know BluOS and/or the M66?
If you have programmed the presets correctly, including the initial volume levels of the individual sources, you will not be able to destroy your speakers using the remote control.

Back to the A10...

Noooo…
As long as you use presets, Pogo is right. And it is correct, that the IR-remote only changes the presets, not the sources.
But as soon as you switch from the Home Cinema Input / Preset to another source (!) on the M66‘s display or with the app you are lost and get the volume of the Home Cinema Bypass routed to your amps.

I didn‘t read this thread, only chiming in because I was mentioned. But don‘t buy the M66!
Nocko!

 

[rdytro]

Eversolo have almost added the A-10, doesn’t quite work for me though.
Edit it now does!

DMP-A10

DMP-A10

www.eversolo.com

Keith

Whilst it was still up, they led the marketing spiel with how expensive it looked ...

 

[MingChops]

Noooo…
As long as you use presets, Pogo is right. And it is correct, that the IR-remote only changes the presets, not the sources.
But as soon as you switch from the Home Cinema Input / Preset to another source (!) on the M66‘s display or with the app you are lost and get the volume of the Home Cinema Bypass routed to your amps.

I didn‘t read this thread, only chiming in because I was mentioned. But don‘t buy the M66!
Nocko!

Right, so if you only ever use the Presets to source switch, you are safe as the volume will adjust accordingly to each selected Preset.

But, if you use the HT Bypass Preset, and then navigate to another source and instead use either app or screen rather than PReset - the max volume is retained!

That is exactly the definition of a dangerous solution in my book. Where subtly different actions with respect to source changing, provide subtly different results in terms of volume retained or not..... but with potentially catastrophic outcomes!!

Thank you for the clarification Nocko. And frankly it's an even worse situation than I thought.

(again feels like a simple firmware type of issue to give consistent volume changing based on input selection irrespective of Presets or otherwise, but as it's NAD one must never hold their breath!)

 

[fredoamigo]

Manage bass with external software?
Surely the idea of a back up is to have it stored somewhere away from the original?
Keith

That's why I'm waiting to read their manual regarding bass management and EQ in general. I remind you that Eversolo claims to offer state-of-the-art room correction. As for data storage, if the A A10 allows direct CD ripping, I assume the data will be stored directly on the internal SSD? My question is, is an external mirror backup storage device possibly planned? Having already lost 4TO of data, I've become paranoid about this issue."

 

[Nocko!]

But, if you use the HT Bypass Preset, and then navigate to another source and instead use either app or screen rather than PReset - the max volume is retained!

…when switching from the „Virtual Home Cinema Bypass“ (=Preset) to another source using the menu on the M66 and accidently use the menu for „inputs“ and not the menu for „presets“ you can‘t even use the volume knob to reduce volume at once. At first you habe to leave the menu.
NAD missed the point here: A initial volume must be a setting for an input, not for a preset.
But you shouldn‘t think about a home theater bypass for the M66 too long. As soon as you‘re willing to use subs and/or Dirac with your M66 you are lost and won‘t have acceptable results with a bypass.
On the other hand: If you don‘t have subwoofers or don‘t want to use Dirac, there is no point in buying the M66. If you want a great pure analog preamp, buy an old Mark Levinson. I still have one for sale…
Nocko!

 

[VintageFlanker]

 

[Purité Audio]

Did you actually touch it!
It looks better in the flesh than the promo photographs.
Keith

 

[Salt]

They should have had a look at Brinkmann (open design) before doing this ...
... at this price tag.

 

[zeropoint]

Wow, look at that much larger 6.5" display. A whole half inch increase.

 

[Salt]

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Comparing A10 and A6/8 only by design (well seen on this image): A6/8 is smooth and timeless, A 10 naja ....

 

[zeropoint]

If they'd add DDC and ADC with RCA/XLR inputs and full EQ, to the A6 standard; Room Correction; upgrade to octa-core CPU with 6GB RAM, for future enhancements; maybe an 8" display,, I'd buy that, but I don't need nor want the rest of the A10. Alternatively, maybe WiiM will make an Ultra Plus with these, for a reasonable price increase.

 

[zeropoint]

Comparing A10 and A6/8 only by design (well seen on this image): A6/8 is smooth and timeless, A 10 naja ....

The first thing that appealed to me about the A6 was the elegant clean aesthetic and balanced proportions. The A10 has lost this.