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Ridiculous. That’s almost like publishing half a review. Very disappointing, Amir.No, he only sent one which is what I usually ask for. He repacked it in another box.
Ridiculous. That’s almost like publishing half a review. Very disappointing, Amir.No, he only sent one which is what I usually ask for. He repacked it in another box.
Funny there then that I found this issue with one speaker and all the other subjective reviewers using two did not!Are you still refusing to evaluate speakers in pairs? I continue to maintain those sort of subjective evaluations are meaningless and not useful to the consumer.
Please heed the notice at the start of speaker reviews:Ridiculous. That’s almost like publishing half a review. Very disappointing, Amir.
Measurements are compliant with latest speaker research into what can predict the speaker preference and is standardized in CEA/CTA-2034 ANSI specifications. Likewise listening tests are performed per research that shows mono listening is much more revealing of differences between speakers than stereo or multichannel.
Are you still refusing to evaluate speakers in pairs? I continue to maintain those sort of subjective evaluations are meaningless and not useful to the consumer.
The one thing I dispute with the single speaker testing, is the overall tonality. In my experience a single speaker should sound a bit light in the bass, since two speakers will tend to reinforce bass more than other frequencies.
There is a sound basis for evaluating speakers in mono. Over 100 speakers have been evaluated in this manner and it isn’t going to change, nor should it. Amir is putting a tremendous amount of time, effort and expense. Please show some respect by keeping your objections on methodology in the speaker measurement complaints thread as to not clutter up these review threads.Are you still refusing to evaluate speakers in pairs? I continue to maintain those sort of subjective evaluations are meaningless and not useful to the consumer.
The one thing I dispute with the single speaker testing, is the overall tonality. In my experience a single speaker should sound a bit light in the bass, since two speakers will tend to reinforce bass more than other frequencies.
Ohh really? Fanboy!Preference Rating
SCORE: 5.6
SCORE w/ sub: 7.5
Sensitivity: 83.3dB (spec: 85dB)
Frequency response: +/- 4dB 46Hz-20kHz
Come on Elac fanboys. Get over it.There is a sound basis for evaluating speakers in mono. Over 100 speakers have been evaluated in this manner and it isn’t going to change, nor should it. Amir is putting a tremendous amount of time, effort and expense. Please show some respect by keeping your objections on methodology in the speaker measurement complaints thread as to not clutter up these review threads.
I'm not sure it would be obvious from the impedance curve, since cabinet vibration modes are pretty common in that range. But the most likely candidate would seem to be a breakup mode from the aluminum woofer, which would be obvious. Amir--is there some reason we don't have the usual individual driver and port measurements published here?I don't know why there would be a surprise. Not like I assumed they validate their designs anyway. Reminds of companies that take OEM parts, or such, and just use their specs, to advertise or something. Goes back to the whole assumption I have that many of these speaker companies are just putting things together, where you have no idea if the higher costing product is actually objectively better performing (and for that matter, niether do they, unless they're a big player with a basis in research or a basis in providing parts for others to use).
That resonance is just silly. I can't fathom a case where this could ever slip by.
Amir mentioned that the problem is with this speaker due to the resonance around 600hz, well designed speakers should not have the issue
edit: would have been interesting if Amir had done the separate graphs he does for woofer, port etc. resonance could be a port issue?
I just didn't see the point of showing other measurements when we had a core issue. Here it is anyway:Amir--is there some reason we don't have the usual individual driver and port measurements published here?
Thanks. I'm not seeing any issue in the problem area. Strange.I just didn't see the point of showing other measurements when we had a core issue. Here it is anyway:
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