Do RCA cables have a sound? ChatGPT says they do.

[antcollinet]

a stopped analog clock is exactly right twice a day.

One of my pet peeves. It is not an analogue clock -it is a mechanical clock.

Analogue is not the opposite of digital. Not everything that is not digital is analogue. I'm not wearing analogue slippers. I'm not sitting on an analogue sofa.

Old cameras are not analogue cameras, they are film cameras. A distributor and associated electrics in an old engine is not an analogue EMU.

A piano is not an analogue synth. (Though a moog is)

And so on.

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[GaryY]

 

[mhardy6647]

One of my pet peeves. It is not an analogue clock -it is a mechanical clock.

Analogue is not the opposite of digital. Not everything that is not digital is analogue. I'm not wearing analogue slippers. I'm not sitting on an analogue sofa.

Old cameras are not analogue cameras, they are film cameras. A distributor and associated electrics in an old engine is not an analogue EMU.

A piano is not an analogue synth. (Though a moog is)

And so on.

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Good point in the abstract, and I take it -- but I want to go on record** as noting that am not absolutely sure about clocks. They employ the regular movement of gears* driven by a motor, spring, or weight, as an analog to the passage of time. They are not time-driven.

PS I haven't thought about film -- using photons to drive chemical changes to record relative amounts of light.

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* yeah, yeah - I know that movement absolutely requires time. I'd need some THC to go too much deeper into this, though.
** Analog LP record, of course.

 

[antcollinet]

Good point in the abstract, and I take it

1 - As I said - just a pet peeve. I'm probably being un-necessarily pedantic.

as an analog to the passage of time.

2 - Not going to get into the argument about a device being analogue because it uses something within its processes as "an analogue" (noun) of something else.

Because - frankly - the digital representation of that something else in a digital system is also "an analogue" (noun) of that something else. This is not how we've come to differentiate between analogue processing and digital processing.

EDIT: Aso analogue systems have a continuous variable as their "analogue" However, a mechanical clock's gears and hands has discrete position steps which only change with each swing of the pendulum or balance wheel.

3 - See other pointless debates along the lines of a system including within it binary states (On/off, in/out, black/white, high/low) etc also not being digital, unless those binary states are combined in order to represent numeric data. In other words, binary alone doesn't mean digital. Binary numbers might.

(Hence class D is not digital)


4 - Refer to 1. I reserve my right not to get into further pointless/pedantic debate simultaneously with reserving my right to retain my pet peeve, however unreasonable. EDIT : I also reserve the right to continue the pointless debate by making ongoing pointless edits to this pointless post.

 

[mhardy6647]

1 - As I said - just a pet peeve. I'm probably being un-necessarily pedantic.


2 - Not going to get into the argument about a device being analogue because it uses something within its processes as "an analogue" (noun) of something else.

Because - frankly - the digital representation of that something else in a digital system is also "an analogue" (noun) of that something else. This is not how we've come to differentiate between analogue processing and digital processing.

EDIT: Aso analogue systems have a continuous variable as their "analogue" However, a mechanical clock's gears and hands has discrete position steps which only change with each swing of the pendulum or balance wheel.

3 - See other pointless debates along the lines of a system including within it binary states (On/off, in/out, black/white, high/low) etc also not being digital, unless those binary states are combined in order to represent numeric data. In other words, binary alone doesn't mean digital. Binary numbers might.

(Hence class D is not digital)


4 - Refer to 1. I reserve my right not to get into further pointless/pedantic debate simultaneously with reserving my right to retain my pet peeve, however unreasonable. EDIT : I also reserve the right to continue the pointless debate by making ongoing pointless edits to this pointless post.

I will fight for your right to be pedantic!
I must admit, I actually haven't thought about it very much.
I'll cop to taking the Noah Webster approach to spelling, though.
Mind you, I lived for many years in a place with a truly mixed response to all words ending in -ough.

Part of the charm of abiding in New England -- we really don't want outsiders quite knowing exactly where they are.

 

[antcollinet]

I'll cop to taking the Noah Webster approach to spelling, though.

Being English - I'll reserve the right to use the English spelling.


If you want some place names whose spelling is weird compared to the pronunciation, just come to the UK. I challenge you to give the phonetic pronunciation of

"Cholmondeley" (one of our locals)

Without looking it up.

 

[mhardy6647]

Being English - I'll reserve the right to use the English spelling.


If you want some place names whose spelling is weird compared to the pronunciation, just come to the UK. I challenge you to give the phonetic pronunciation of

"Cholmondeley" (one of our locals)

Without looking it up.

We've got Woburn, Leominster, and Worcester*. Or as the Massholes Bay Staters would have it: Woobu'n, Lemminstah, and Woostah. We lived just a hoot and a holler from Lemminstah, in fact, when we were in MA.

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* I mean, y'all probably do, too.

 

[antcollinet]

I mean, y'all probably do, too.

I do believe they were stolen from Old England. As it seems a significant percentage of USAnian place names were. Especially those with "New" in front of them - which really gives the game away.

(I think we pronounce Woburn as Wobun.)

 

[Multicore]

Doesn't matter if I agree or not, this is what ChatGPT had to say on the issue:

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Nice find! Did you ask the question?

I wonder if it is better for us to quote examples like this in an image or by copy-pasting text. Generally I prefer text because not all ASR users have good vision but in the case of LLMs regurgitating internet BS like this, using an image may be better as it makes it a bit harder for search engines and AIs to reingest it and attribute it to ASR.

 

[Multicore]

omg it just regurgitates whatever BS is most common on the Internet.

bingo. that's the whole LLM "AI" game. that's all they do.

 

[Multicore]

What's the fascination with asking ChatGPT and similar AI dumb or even intelligent questions.

it's a very good way to get a feel for the tech.

knowing how an LLM works is one thing. we've known since the 80s. i remember experimenting with them and concluding that you need to scale up the layers, state and training many orders of magnitude before it might, maybe do something interesting. now that scale up has been done and the vendors made their products public (in the race to use their technical scale/complexity advantages to achieve market dominance) i think it's not just interesting but socially important for everyone to learn about them.

these AIs can be pretty good at faking intelligent things and they are getting better. individually we are all threatened by such fakes. my phone routinely offers to pretend to be me in my chats with other people. my correspondents know it and therefore need to wonder if they are corresponding with me or my AI. and have to wonder the same. we are already corresponding with AI commercial service agents so we can expect this faking to come to audio communications soon enough.

moreover, human culture is threatened by pollution from AI outputs (and, interestingly, this AI snake will eat its own tail in time if something isn't done about that pollution). remember, these are just likelihood models based on training sets. i know, in a sense that's also what humans do when they contribute to the culture, but AI's can produce oceans of fake versions of it at negligible cost.

a political journalist i follow recently experimented with Gemini by asking it for examples of controversies he was involved in. it replied some libelous bs. he asked it for the specifics of what happened in one of these examples. it replied with specifics about what went down and named somebody an described how that person was harmed. it was beyond total bs. it was defamatory lies invented from whole cloth that dragged a real life third party into it.

this is all coming and soon. our only hope is to get ready and that starts with learning about it. asking ChatGPT and similar AI dumb or even intelligent questions is a good place to start.

 

[solderdude]

But in the end the results that are spewed out will be considered by many people using it to be the absolute truth which is the dangerous part as the same individuals don't know enough (and why they ask their questions) so can't know if the result is crap, half truths, mostly true or completely true.

So asking it questions is fine but considering all answers as correct is not. Especially in audio it seems to 'learn' the most from nonsensical sites.
The more some nonsense is repeated on the web the more AI will think it is 'the truth'.

I have seen AI summaries of YT videos which do seem to hit the nail on the head. So AI seems suited for that.

 

[Count Arthur]

Given that AI is trained on all the nonsense that it finds on the internet, will we be able to hide from the killer robots, beyond what it thinks is the edge of the flat earth?

 

[Keith_W]

Given that AI is trained on all the nonsense that it finds on the internet, will we be able to hide from the killer robots, beyond what it thinks is the edge of the flat earth?

If AI wanted to make a killer robot and asked itself how to design a robot, it would come up with an unholy mish-mash that could do everything from processing canned tuna to Japanese sex toy.

I don't care what ChatGPT says. For me, AI is a tool that tells me where to look, or suggests possibilities I haven't considered. I wouldn't use AI to form an opinion. I get paid for my opinions, and my reputation hinges on the quality of my opinions. It is far too valuable to be entrusted to AI.

 

[DonR]

One of my pet peeves. It is not an analogue clock -it is a mechanical clock.

Analogue is not the opposite of digital. Not everything that is not digital is analogue. I'm not wearing analogue slippers. I'm not sitting on an analogue sofa.

Old cameras are not analogue cameras, they are film cameras. A distributor and associated electrics in an old engine is not an analogue EMU.

A piano is not an analogue synth. (Though a moog is)

And so on.

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What about a clock with an E Ink display?

 

[sam_adams]

If AI wanted to make a killer robot and . . . Japanese sex toy.

Continue . . .

 

[MaxBuck]

Just a reminder: artificial intelligence originates, ultimately, in human beings. And human beings are idiots.

 

[Dumdum]

Oddly… in a blind abx test we were able to pick out a certain rca vs three others 100% of the time, we randomised the channels and switched from one side of the switching box to the other in case it was a hardware issue, but repeatedly we could identify which channel this rca was on…

So yes, I can prove without a doubt that an rca can influence sound, and I had made three of the four cables

We also tested optical vs coax into the same Dsp from a D10, two dsps against each other and a few other items

The only one that gave a difference in tonality was the rca of all the back to backs we did switching in a split second

 

[DonR]

Oddly… in a blind abx test we were able to pick out a certain rca vs three others 100% of the time, we randomised the channels and switched from one side of the switching box to the other in case it was a hardware issue, but repeatedly we could identify which channel this rca was on…

So yes, I can prove without a doubt that an rca can influence sound, and I had made three of the four cables

We also tested optical vs coax into the same Dsp from a D10, two dsps against each other and a few other items

The only one that gave a difference in tonality was the rca of all the back to backs we did switching in a split second

Of course, they can. Especially those that are poorly made and have higher resistance or capacitance. Most competently engineered cables will be transparent.

 

[antcollinet]

What about a clock with an E Ink display?

What relevanace does E ink have? It is just another technology of digital display.