That you don't have to buy. Not every buying decision centers around SINAD score. Sometimes a little bling is nice even if you know it doesn't change the sound. Having a choice is a good thing.It's snake oil rubbish.
That you don't have to buy. Not every buying decision centers around SINAD score. Sometimes a little bling is nice even if you know it doesn't change the sound. Having a choice is a good thing.It's snake oil rubbish.
O' rubbish. Snake oil product is snake oil. I looked at the BJC website and did not find that Belden snake oil cable hype that was there. Maybe I missed it but it appears to be gone?That you don't have to buy. Not every buying decision centers around SINAD score. Sometimes a little bling is nice even if you know it doesn't change the sound. Having a choice is a good thing.
As I said before, actions have consequences.Sure. You don't like this one product. OK. I agree it looks like a dud. But BJC has been a mainstay for those that want a good cable at reasonable cost. They still appear to offer those options. So I think the comments seemingly going scorched earth on BJC over this transformer seem extreme.
AMENIt's snake oil rubbish.
Because they were selling crap.Before, Schiit had a bad rap around here.
A decision made due to the AKM factory in Japan burning down.Denon had a hiccup when replacing DAC IC from AKM with much inferior ones in their AVRs. Not appreciated here on ASR, to put it mildly.
They could have made a different choice of replacement DAC IC.A decision made due to the AKM factory in Japan burning down.
Not a change made by choice.
Hummm,O' rubbish. Snake oil product is snake oil. I looked at the BJC website and did not find that Belden snake oil cable hype that was there. Maybe I missed it but it appears to be gone?
I don't think there's a lot to chose fromThey could have made a different choice of replacement DAC IC.
To YOU it's rubbish. I don't think regulars here would claim a tube amp is anything other than crap based on SINAD. But some people prefer them. That's OK. Choice is good. Dogma on the other hand...O' rubbish. Snake oil product is snake oil. I looked at the BJC website and did not find that Belden snake oil cable hype that was there. Maybe I missed it but it appears to be gone?
Not just SINAD, most Tube amps will measure quite badly into all areas.To YOU it's rubbish. I don't think regulars here would claim a tube amp is anything other than crap based on SINAD
Hummm,
Also the Iso transformer is now listed as Temp. Out Of Stock
Maybe someone over there is listening.
No. Their mulitbit and tube options, typically dumped on here, are still being made. Schiit was just being savvy. They saw the response here and decided to tap into the objectivist segment of the market with the Heresy. Just like BJC is being savvy with those cables for the subjectivist crowd. These companies are in it to make money, not follow your value system. Nothing wrong with that.Because they were selling crap.
After they were called out on it they started to change their ways.
They didn't "introduce iconoclast" they were contracted to assemble them. Start at the homepage of their website and try to find any mention of iconoclast. You won't.I can't speak for @Blumlein 88, but personally I quit recommending BJC when they introduced Iconoclast.
IMO priorly a great anti snake-oil supplier of no nonsense cables they turned their back on integrity to make a
few extra bucks..
"There is no ethical consumption under Capitalism" - if BJC decided to stick to this arbitrary moral high ground (which is weird because they don't even mention or promote iconoclast), they would go bankrupt and someone else would make the cables, and then we'd have lost a great American objectivist cable assembler, due to people sending them emails whining about something they didn't even do (promoting subjectivist ideology).Just like BJC is being savvy with those cables for the subjectivist crowd. These companies are in it to make money, not follow your value system. Nothing wrong with that.
From a business strategy point of view, and given the gullibility of the market... why not try? From a credibility point of view, it isn't great. Just checked their website and could not even find this product though.I'm aware of the reputation. Some of the comments here just look like hypocrisy. What exactly is wrong with them tapping into that segment of the market?
It is under Subwoofer Cables. Though now showing temporarily out of stock. Maybe the review prompted a run on them.From a business strategy point of view, and given the gullibility of the market... why not try? From a credibility point of view, it isn't great. Just checked their website and could not even find this product though.
@pablolie was referring to the iconoclast, which is NOT on the website index , as it is not their product, they do not sell it or promote it, like I’ve said multiple times in this thread.It is under Subwoofer Cables. Though now showing temporarily out of stock. Maybe the review prompted a run on them.
They didn't "introduce iconoclast" they were contracted to assemble them. Start at the homepage of their website and try to find any mention of iconoclast. You won't.
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Iconoclast bulk cable is manufactured by Belden in Richmond, Indiana; assembly and connectorization is done in Seattle, Washington, by Blue Jeans Cable, an audio/video cable assembly shop which has been working with Belden for over fifteen years in bringing broadcast-quality video, audio and data cabling to the consumer market. Iconoclast seeks to bring a bit of fresh air into the high-end audio cable world: serious, straightforward, documented engineering applied to the task of producing the utmost in audio performance.
Iconoclast Cable
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Guys, the Iconoclast line is clearly made by Blue Jeans, but its a luxury product for people that want to buy a luxury product. That's why it has it its own separate website. If it performs terribly, then sure, fault them for it. But if it performs well, and just costs a lot extra for gee-whiz, gold-plated, impress your buddies reasons, then there's no problem offering that to people who want to blow their money on it. I sure hope all you guys that are criticizing them for that drive base-model Toyota Corollas, because anything more is a waste of money when a Toyota Corolla will get you from point A to point B perfectly.
We've had many opportunities over our years in business to associate ourselves with one line or another of "high-end" audio products; we have bins full of samples sent to us by factories and sales representatives. But we never took any of these proposals very seriously, until one day Steve Lampen, then a sort of technical-rep/evangelist for Belden, whispered to us that there was a real cable engineer at Belden who not only thought that different audio cable formulas sounded different, but thought he knew why and was going to do something about it. A year later we met Galen Gareis, and here we are with the most well-engineered product we can imagine.
Actually the ball is now in their court.It is entirely possible that they got blindsided on a change to the product by the supplier that they buy from. Until we know the real reason for the performance shortfall, we should exercise a little patience to see if they can work this out.
LOL, Try to pay attention, my comment was about the Denon AVR DAC choice.While not dirt cheap, Performance Audio is a better choice <for me> than either WBC or BJC due to the wide variety of options available in their custom cable offerings.
Sure, but isn't that what we try to do here, inform our readers on the credibility of products and manufacturers?From a business strategy point of view, and given the gullibility of the market... why not try? From a credibility point of view, it isn't great. Just checked their website and could not even find this product though.
They didn't "introduce iconoclast" they were contracted to assemble them. Start at the homepage of their website and try to find any mention of iconoclast. You won't.
Correct JP, and they were listed on the site some time back.They may not link to it today, but they certainly did introduce them: