Big news coming from Sound United in 2023!

[lc6]

Yamaha's DEQ equivalent seems to be YPAO volume:

YPAO™ Volume Ensures Quality Audio at All Volumes - Yamaha Music

Yamaha YPAO™ Volume allows you to hear balanced low, mid and high frequencies clearly, even at low volumes. This article explains how it works.

hub.yamaha.com

Thanks; so my recollection from 6+ months ago was wrong. The question is, could this "YPAO Volume" on the A6A be enabled even in the mode where YPAO-measured FR corrections were not applied for the front L/Rs? Probably yes, because unlike in the 3800H's "L/R Bypass" mode, YPAO supports a "YPAO:Front" mode which "adjusts each speaker to achieve the same characteristics as the front speakers." That implies that YPAO would leave the front L/R FR intact, adjust all other speakers to sound like them, and still allow YPAO Volume on the fronts L/R.

 

[Masza]

I recall from Denon 3300 that Dynamic EQ works even with L/R bypass. I would at least try if it does.

 

[Chromatischism]

We have confirmation that DLBC will be available. Even if it costs $500, making the total $700, that means the X3800H gets you DLBC for up to 4 subs for $2400. That may seem expensive but it's actually an unprecedented bargain!

I thought $500 was all-in? If not that's disappointing.

 

[ryanosaur]

I thought $500 was all-in? If not that's disappointing.

Bass Control Module will likely, sadly, always be an add on product.
It would be better if SU just put the basic Dirac License into the cost of the product, but you would still be paying for it.

I'm really curious to know how many users will add Dirac? How many will simply stick with Audyssey (with or without the App)?

 

[Sancus]

I thought $500 was all-in? If not that's disappointing.

I'm honestly not sure. Offhand, all the DLBC upgradeable products I know of came with full-range Dirac, and then added (multi-sub, single is $350) DLBC on top of that for $500. If the baseline Denons don't come with a Dirac license at all, I assume it will thus be more than $500.

Could totally be wrong though, and certainly it would be appreciated if the cost is lower.

 

[DrStranger]

Bass Control Module will likely, sadly, always be an add on product.
It would be better if SU just put the basic Dirac License into the cost of the product, but you would still be paying for it.

I'm really curious to know how many users will add Dirac? How many will simply stick with Audyssey (with or without the App)?

I agree, this was a marketing "tick in the box" for them.

 

[Chromatischism]

I can give it a try, but my understanding is that for the Dynamic EQ and other Bass processing to be accessible in the settings, Audyssey has to be enabled on the L/Rs, which means all its "measurement-based corrections" would be applied (that would only distort the factory-tuned flat FR of my mains, which I like very much).

Remind me again which speakers you have?

My speakers are best with Audyssey fixing the bass issues, but the default curve isn't great, so I don't like what it does to the rest of the range. The app is the way to go in order to get more control over the sound.

 

[Chromatischism]

I'm honestly not sure. Offhand, all the DLBC upgradeable products I know of came with full-range Dirac, and then added (multi-sub, single is $350) DLBC on top of that for $500. If the baseline Denons don't come with a Dirac license at all, I assume it will thus be more than $500.

This is misleading. If you go to the Dirac website, they list the cost of the different software versions. Dirac Live Bass Control is $499. It is NOT labeled as an add-on.

 

[Sancus]

This is misleading. If you go to the Dirac website, they list the cost of the different software versions. Dirac Live Bass Control is $499. It is NOT labeled as an add-on.

Well I don't know what you want to make things not misleading. Dirac without bass control has a license fee. It's not free. There is also a license fee to upgrade Dirac (limited range) to Dirac full range, it's $99, for those products with limited Dirac.

If Dirac allows products that have NO Dirac support to buy Dirac/w bass control for $500, then that would be discounted, since right now they get $500 PLUS the license fees the manufacturer paid to include Dirac in the first place. The Dirac included on Arcams and the HTP-1 etc already cost you money before you paid for the DLBC license.

They may allow people who buy the $200 Dirac package to later upgrade to full bass control for $300, I don't know.

 

[peng]

Thanks; so my recollection from 6+ months ago was wrong. The question is, could this "YPAO Volume" on the A6A be enabled even in the mode where YPAO-measured FR corrections were not applied for the front L/Rs? Probably yes, because unlike in the 3800H's "L/R Bypass" mode, YPAO supports a "YPAO:Front" mode which "adjusts each speaker to achieve the same characteristics as the front speakers." That implies that YPAO would leave the front L/R FR intact, adjust all other speakers to sound like them, and still allow YPAO Volume on the fronts L/R.

I don't know about the A6A and your x3800h, but I can tell you my x4400h does work with DEQ on when FL/FR bypass is used. So as long as Audyssey is "On", I can select DEQ on, again, even in FL/FR bypass mode.

 

[ryanosaur]

Word I saw is $199 US for the license, then the DLBC for single or multi-sub would be additional, as it is on all other product that come loaded with DL out of the box.

edit:
Further word was Spring 2023 for DL activation by SU teams. DLBC sometime after that in 2023.

 

[ReciprocalSpace]

Anyone here if the Marantz AV10 release date is around the same time as the Denon A1H? Also find it strange I can't find any photos of the rear of the AV10 except by pausing the video on their website.

 

[dlaloum]

This unit has fans below the heatsinks, obviously an external fan shouldn't hurt, but I'd like to see some thermal measurements before/after.

My previous AVR

We have confirmation that DLBC will be available. Even if it costs $500, making the total $700, that means the X3800H gets you DLBC for up to 4 subs for $2400. That may seem expensive but it's actually an unprecedented bargain!

Perhaps even more interesting, allegedly the A1H will have access to Dirac's new spatial room correction. That would make it the first product to attain that capability.

I'm glad Sound United is paying attention, they've upended the competition with this move.

Yes - apparently DLBC will not go away - instead the range will look like

Dirac Live (limited range)
Dirac Live (full range)
Spatial Room Correction (limited range) - AKA DLBC
Spatial Room Correction (full range) - AKA SRC

And from the comments - it appears that full SRC may be limited to flagship models, which is sad, as the required processing power exists in the X3800

 

[Sancus]

And from the comments - it appears that full SRC may be limited to flagship models, which is sad, as the required processing power exists in the X3800

I really have only one question about spatial room correction: Can it fix SBIR?(for some value of fix) If the answer is yes, then it's worth the extra money for the A1H just by itself and it's not even close. If not, then meh.

 

[dlaloum]

I thought $500 was all-in? If not that's disappointing.

Based on current pricing for the Arcam AVR's with "optional Dirac" - it's more like US$800 for "all-in"

And the comments about SRC being flagship only, implies a substantially higher price...?

 

[dlaloum]

I really have only one question about spatial room correction: Can it fix SBIR?(for some value of fix) If the answer is yes, then it's worth the extra money for the A1H just by itself and it's not even close. If not, then meh.

SBIR?

 

[ryanosaur]

SBIR?

Speaker Boundary Interference Response

 

[Sancus]

SBIR?

Speaker Boundary Interference Response

Effectively it's reflections on boundaries(walls) near the speaker and the cancellations they cause. It's famously difficult to fix without extremely thick room treatment, beyond the bounds of what most people are willing to put in their rooms. And multi-sub can't help in the 100-300hz range. This is one of the major things that stuff like controlled low frequency directivity(D&D 8C) and multi-woofer DSP systems like Genelec's W371A are designed to combat.

If spatial correction can fix or even just significantly improve those effects, by using other speakers to eliminate the cancellations, that would be a big deal, because all of the current solutions are very expensive and/or impractical.

 

[ryanosaur]

FWIW, in setting up a room, you should always maximize the Positional EQ before relying on any additional Room Correction Protocol.
Let's face it. Setting up your room to the best of your ability isn't necessarily easy, but it is FREE!
The less digital processing through any algorithm, the better. I suspect we would all agree on that.

I had a serious suckout on my left side (-30dB!). While I suspect it was SBIR, I couldn't confirm it for certain at the time, however it also matched with the half-wave coming from the back wall... so maybe? Either way, I moved that Speaker about an inch further into the room and slightly changed the toe-in... #Boom-Pow Like it was never there. Once that was fixed, I ran room correction below the Schroeder Frequency to much greater effect than prior to fixing that suckout.

 

[Yogurt]

Can't wait to set it up. I currently have a 4700 with an external 11 channel monolith amp and 3 subs running on a mini DSP. Hopefully this was the right choice rather than waiting for the 4800.