All About UFO's

[WillBrink]

I don't know whether you watched the congressional hearing on UAPs in July of last year. Congressmen/woman Burchett, Gaetz and Luna went to Eglin AFB to follow up on a recent UAP report. The base commander would not allow Burchett nor Luna to see the evidence because they did not have appropriate security clearences. Gaetz did have the clearance, and saw evidence. Watch what he said about that in the following video, starting at 1:39:40:

I grow tired us, as in We The People, not seeing it.

 

[GaryH]

Why would so many apparently credible people participate in promulgating a false narrative, some at great risk to their reputations?

Because they're highly gullible / quasi-religiously 'want to believe' / grossly incompetent at critically evaluating evidence / grifters / paranormalist nutjobs, or a combination thereof (you could say much like a significant proportion of audiophiles), as exposed by investigative journalist Steven Greenstreet:

Everything you were told is wrong. In 2017, the New York Times released a bombshell story revealing AATIP, the Pentagon's "UFO program" and Lue Elizondo, the director of that program. It proclaimed a shocking truth: UFOs are real. Since then, that story has been reprinted hundreds and thousands of times across the world and Mr. Elizondo has reached the status of cultural icon. But we've since learned that the whole story... was wrong. In this episode, we reveal the real story of the Pentagon's AAWSAP program - led by scientist James Lacatski - and it's even crazier than you could possibly imagine: $22 million in taxpayer money spent on werewolves, ghosts, goblins, and "dinobeavers" at the infamous Skinwalker Ranch in Utah. But UFO advocates, who are currently lobbying Congress to spend money on UFO investigations, hope you never find out about that.

 

[GoFaster]

Because they're highly gullible / quasi-religiously 'want to believe' / grossly incompetent at critically evaluating evidence / grifters / paranormalist nutjobs, or a combination thereof (you could say much like a significant proportion of audiophiles), as exposed by investigative journalist Steven Greenstreet:

Everything you were told is wrong. In 2017, the New York Times released a bombshell story revealing AATIP, the Pentagon's "UFO program" and Lue Elizondo, the director of that program. It proclaimed a shocking truth: UFOs are real. Since then, that story has been reprinted hundreds and thousands of times across the world and Mr. Elizondo has reached the status of cultural icon. But we've since learned that the whole story... was wrong. In this episode, we reveal the real story of the Pentagon's AAWSAP program - led by scientist James Lacatski - and it's even crazier than you could possibly imagine: $22 million in taxpayer money spent on werewolves, ghosts, goblins, and "dinobeavers" at the infamous Skinwalker Ranch in Utah. But UFO advocates, who are currently lobbying Congress to spend money on UFO investigations, hope you never find out about that.

that was poetry

 

[kemmler3D]

I don't know whether you watched the congressional hearing on UAPs in July of last year. Congressmen/woman Burchett, Gaetz and Luna went to Eglin AFB to follow up on a recent UAP report. The base commander would not allow Burchett nor Luna to see the evidence because they did not have appropriate security clearences. Gaetz did have the clearance, and saw evidence. Watch what he said about that in the following video, starting at 1:39:40:

Not to make this into a political thread, but let's just say that Gaetz in particular among members of congress doesn't enjoy universal respect and credibility.

 

[solderdude]

Soo... there are people that know about it but aren't allowed to talk about it in public but can give info behind doors which they then cannot verify or mention any of it because it is classified. In that case some more people 'know' but also can't blow whistles.

Orbs seem to have been around for ages but have never attacked anyone... excluding far fetched abduction reports which all weren't witnessed.

They seem to be able to jam technology but there are radar images which aren't jammed and they appear to be able to jam 'recording' equipment relatively up close but that tech is advanced enough to not affect avionics so the jets don't crash.

Airline pilots witness UAP's but not the hundreds of passengers inside airplanes so are they the UAPs only flying in front of planes which passengers can't see and do the UAP's know they must steer clear of windows on the sides ?

Have fighter jets been attacked ?
As these objects can circle around air-crafts like nobody's business and act instantly and must have done so since the wright brothers how can they pose a threat ?

If they are gathering intelligence (which would be the threat) and they don't share it with say the Russians, Chinese or North Koreans for instance and they are so technologically advanced why would they need 'intelligence' that could be a threat to them ?
If they are just observing then what's the harm as they don't disclose anything ? They know more than we do. It would be like humans watching an ant colony. Those studying ants aren't just going to eradicate ants when they learn a new trick.

Interesting as a subject but even if some aliens were captured/found and some tech was found we can't do much with it other than scaring people that we are not alone in the universe.
Also ... when they are so advanced and one of their crafts (there appear to be multiple ones that can track anything) they don't have the tech to retrieve those crafts/beings ?
And if they don't care their tech falls in human hands and want earth-dwellers to know about them why don't they make themselves known ?

Will there be disclosure from governments (not just US) ? I'm sure there won't be ... no matter who or what wants that.
And if there is going to be disclosure does it help the world forward in any way ?

If governments (multiple nations) have been able to keep actual info out of the public domain for decades why would they start giving disclosure now or in the future ?
How likely is that ? Nah... it will remain a mystery for a very long time and there is no way for the public to enforce disclosure.

How'z about debunking audiophool myths and 'sightings' first ... that should be easier to do as the governments don't seem to have agencies guarding those 'secrets only known to a few designers that can't disclose any of it so other manufacturers can also use that 'knowledge'.
Have fun linking perception to electronics... its about as fun as linking UAP's to existential threats.

 

[Mart68]

Airline pilots witness UAP's but not the hundreds of passengers inside airplanes so are they the UAPs only flying in front of planes which passengers can't see and do the UAP's know they must steer clear of windows on the sides ?

There are plenty of cases of airline passengers witnessing UAPs, and sometimes photographing them.

Ronald Reagan one such example: https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ronald-reagan-ufo.htm

Also it's part of the pilot's job to have situational awareness i,e look out the windows - whereas passengers tend to sleep, read, watch video, do work, game etc, and there's very rarely anything to see when looking out the window except the tops of the clouds.

 

[solderdude]

There are plenty of cases of airline passengers witnessing UAPs, and sometimes photographing them.

Where can these pictures and interviews of witnesses in airlines be found ?

The Reagan one shown does not look like what's been described by pilots.

I suppose it would be easier for audiophools to show that what they hear is real than it is to prove UAP's are of alien origin and aside from possibly observing the technological backward creatures on earth (or whatever they call this planet) have some kind of hostile intend and are figuring out what to do with this (to them stone-age ?) inhabitants.

I think there are more pressing things to worry about than trying to figure out what doesn't want to be figured out... like the magic in audio which is so obvious and simple to hear it does not need to be proven to them.

 

[Mart68]

Where can these pictures and interviews of witnesses in airlines be found ?

On the internet, where else?

Here's one I found within 10 seconds of searching:

Someone Has Spotted A 'UFO' Near The Top Secret Area 51 Military Base

Someone Has Spotted A 'UFO' Near The Top Secret Area 51 Military Base

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

 

[voodooless]

On the internet, where else?

Here's one I found within 10 seconds of searching:

Someone Has Spotted A 'UFO' Near The Top Secret Area 51 Military Base

Someone Has Spotted A 'UFO' Near The Top Secret Area 51 Military Base

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Solar farm… that’s the first thing that I thought when I say the picture, didn’t even read the text.

 

[solderdude]

When there is a bright light in a picture shot through multiple layers of (plexi)glass while moving it is highly likely either the camera lenses or the layers of glass have internal reflections which due to moving could appear to move away.
Such is the difficulty of glass, bright lights and camera lenses. Not saying this is what happened here ... just stating the obvious (having been in photography for years).

I'm sure when one sits in a plane and sees this unfolding they would scream... look ... there and not grab their camera/phone and shoot pics in silence.

Observations may not be what things are in reality and if one is into UFO things you can see them everywhere, in every 'report' and look for it.
Pictures and movies made may not show what others think it shows and/or may even be a hoax.
Whenever an (intentional or not) lie is repeated and 'verified' it may eventually be seen as a fact.
A prime example (to me) is the audiophool folklore about what people claim they can hear and don't even need that verified because him/her/x hears it too etc.

 

[Mart68]

Solar farm… that’s the first thing that I thought when I say the picture, didn’t even read the text.

Yes it's a solar farm. But at the time it was a UAP. Point was that passengers do see them and do photograph them. That they're not trained observers and so think anything is a UAP, and that the photos are rubbish, isn't relevant to that.

 

[voodooless]

Yes it's a solar farm. But at the time it was a UAP

Obviously it was an UAP at some point, by definition but so what? I don’t know most mushrooms in the forest either, that doesn’t mean I think that gnomes live in them.

 

[Mart68]

Obviously it was an UAP at some point, by definition but so what? I don’t know must mushrooms in the forest either, that doesn’t mean I think that gnomes live in them.

Solderdude was wondering why only pilots see the UAPs and not the passengers, I was just using that as an example that passengers do see them too, at least sometimes.

That most or all turn out to have a totally mundane explanation isn't relevant to that point.

 

[oceansize]

Obviously it was an UAP at some point, by definition but so what? I don’t know must mushrooms in the forest either, that doesn’t mean I think that gnomes live in them.

Well, that's stretching the definition of UAP somewhat, isn't it? I mean, the phenomenon was strictly terrestrial bound, but I guess it was an aerial photograph.

 

[RayDunzl]

50 years ago, my buddy's Air Force non-commissioned father showed us some UFO slides.

They were very clear.

Somehow not convincing, though.

Saucers in the desert southwest someplace.

 

[Petrushka]

50 years ago, my buddy's Air Force non-commissioned father showed us some UFO slides.

They were very clear.

Somehow not convincing, though.

Saucers in the desert southwest someplace.

I am open to the possibility of aliens, but find that explanation to be unlikely.

It would require something akin to magic. I am familiar with Clarke’s dictum, but think magic technology to be unlikely.

My first choice is also unsatisfactory, but it involves secret stealth technology. I think it would be possible to spoof computerized radar. As for visual sightings, that’s the unsatisfactory part.

 

[WillBrink]

A very traditional scientist from a non UFO/UAP channel, get into details. It's a lengthy interview, and time stamps and more info (papers published. etc) found below vid on the page: "Kevin Knuth is a Professor of physics at the University of Albany, a former NASA scientist, and the Editor-In-Chief of the Entropy journal."

00:00:00 Introduction
00:04:07 The Bethune Encounter (1951)
00:07:14 The lights of the UFO's are possibly due to plasma
00:08:53 Why study UFO's? (and cattle mutilations)
00:21:29 Japan Air Lines Flight 1628 (1986)
00:24:02 300 ft UFO follows one of our planes for 40 minutes
00:28:13 The Nimitz Encounters (2004)
00:34:41 The Tic Tac video is likely the least interesting video the gov't has
00:36:57 UFO's are not simply drones or advanced gov't technology
00:39:47 Why UFO's aren't studied by physicists, and who else (as a Professor) is studying?
00:42:05 Is alien technology "progressing"? Why / why not?
00:44:03 Why are they shutting down our nuclear missiles?
00:48:14 Why don't people supposedly from the gov't who announce UFO's are real, get killed?
00:50:27 UFO's should be far more technologically advanced than they are
00:53:50 Theory of Kevin's that explains where UFO's go
00:58:36 Why do aliens look so human (or why do we look like aliens)?
01:03:08 Curt and Kevin speculate about alien intentions and relation to us
01:04:33 Alien abductions
01:05:47 Is Bob Lazar telling the truth?
01:08:20 Skinwalker ranch
01:11:06 New physics in UFO's, because they violate conservation laws
01:13:49 Are aliens living on Earth? Underwater?
01:20:20 Stuart Koffman and Autocatalytic sets
01:21:32 Why mutilate cattle? (theory of "euphoria")
01:29:46 Emergent consciousness and aliens
01:31:02 Machine learning and fundamental physics
01:33:06 Spectral Inference from a Multiplexing Fourier Transform Spectrometer
01:36:28 Perception of sound (early research of Kevin Knuth's) and Penrose's Orch OR
01:40:40 Kevin Knuth's work at NASA and questions about the spacetime manifold
01:47:47 Parsimony in science leads to idealism?
01:51:33 Why does 2+1=3? Building a Theory of Everything from quantification
01:52:49 Effectiveness of Mathematics is no surprise
01:54:28 Building "Robot Scientists" that you can ask questions to
02:00:55 Influence Theory: A different kind of Theory of Everything (in 6 papers)
02:06:50 Deriving spacetime / spin / momentum from simple arithmetic truths
02:15:38 Forget the "laws" of physics. Think in terms of "quantity"
02:18:08 String Theory
02:19:35 Loop quantum and Geometric Unity
02:19:53 Wolfram's TOE
02:20:23 Stephen Paul King: Spacetime ideas and robot scientist
02:23:39 Steve Scully: On infinity and zero
02:27:28 Kevin Knuth's scientist card game

 

[oceansize]

A very traditional scientist from a non UFO/UAP channel, get into details. It's a lengthy interview, and time stamps and more info (papers published. etc) found below vid on the page: "Kevin Knuth is a Professor of physics at the University of Albany, a former NASA scientist, and the Editor-In-Chief of the Entropy journal."

Seriously, nobody is doubting Knuth's academic standing, but why the bare-faced lying?

Knuth has been quoted in the media on the topic of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).[4][5][6][7][8] He serves as vice president of UAPx, a nonprofit organization that aims to conduct field research about UAP,[9] and is a research affiliate of The Galileo Project for the systematic scientific search for evidence of extraterrestrial technological artifacts at Harvard University.[10]

The Galileo Project is headed by our old friend, Avi Loeb.

The goal of the Galileo Project is to bring the search for extraterrestrial technological signatures of Extraterrestrial Technological Civilizations (ETCs) from accidental or anecdotal observations and legends to the mainstream of transparent, validated and systematic scientific research. This project is complementary to traditional SETI, in that it searches for physical objects, and not electromagnetic signals, associated with extraterrestrial technological equipment.

 

[terryforsythe]

Because they're highly gullible / quasi-religiously 'want to believe' / grossly incompetent at critically evaluating evidence / grifters / paranormalist nutjobs, or a combination thereof (you could say much like a significant proportion of audiophiles), as exposed by investigative journalist Steven Greenstreet:

Steven Greenstreet has his own narrative he is pushing. He does make some good points, though.

That being said, some of our congressional representatives, on both sides of the isle in both the Senate and House of Representatives, are taking the subject seriously. E.g., Senators Schumer, Rounds, Rubio and Gillibrand, Representatives Burchette, Gaetz, Luna, Moskowitz, Burlison, Garcia, etc.

Especially notable is the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure Act introduced last year in the Senate: https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf

Major provisions of that act were blocked by Congressmen Mike Turner and Mike Johnson, both of whom receive vary large campaign donations from military contractors. There is clear evidence suggesting Johnson received large campaign contributions from said military contractors just before the push to block the act. In back room negotiations between the Senate and House Intelligence committees, provisions which granted eminent domain over NHI technology and congressional power to subpoena UAP insiders were removed at the behest of Turner and Johnson. There also have been statements indicating that U.S. intelligence services also were involved in the push to block the provisions.

In addition, Clinton, Obama and Trump all have admitted that there are objects in our sky, and we don't know what they are. G.W. Bush evaded the question and stated that even if he did know they were UFOs, he would not tell the public.

Numerous reputable scientists also now are taking the phenomenon seriously, including Dr. Kevin Knuth (noted above), Dr. Garry Nolan at Stanford, Dr. Avi Loab at Harvard, Dr. Diana Pasulka at the Univ. of NC, etc.

Prominent Attorney Danny Sheehan, who helped break the Watergate scandal, also is deeply involved with pushing for UAP disclosure. https://newparadigminstitute.org/

This is a very deep subject, and I don't know the answer. But, what I do know is that people throwing out opinions based on pre-conceived notions, and without first seriously evaluating the investigations and legislation taking place, are just adding to the confusion. Believers can find loads and loads of information on the Internet supporting their position, and debunkers can find loads and loads of information supporting their position. The truth cannot be found by only looking at information that supports one's belief.

 

[Petrushka]

UFO observations are anecdotes, and no matter how persuasive, they aren’t science. There are countless anecdotes involving ESP. It took decades of research refinement to filter out the noise.

Being smart and being a scientist are not good qualifications. The Amazing Randi a good job of demonstrating that scientists are frequently more credulous than ordinary people.