All About UFO's

[Chester]

I think if we imagine for a moment, that it’s not aliens and a complicit government, then these acts that some are trying to put in place would effectively reveal quite a lot to the world about the types of technology these contractors and the military have or are testing. That would be a more probable reason to incentivise someone to block it (if that did actually happen). If they were worried about their hanger full of UFOs being discovered, they would probably have no qualms just killing a few key people to keep it a secret. Governments have killed for much less.

Gary Nolan and Diana Pasulka are the opposite of credible. They have clear and direct links to the jerk circle who are pushing the UAP narrative and profiteering from it.

 

[Petrushka]

I think if we imagine for a moment, that it’s not aliens and a complicit government, then these acts that some are trying to put in place would effectively reveal quite a lot to the world about the types of technology these contractors and the military have or are testing. That would be a more probable reason to incentivise someone to block it (if that did actually happen). If they were worried about their hanger full of UFOs being discovered, they would probably have no qualms just killing a few key people to keep it a secret. Governments have killed for much less.

Gary Nolan and Diana Pasulka are the opposite of credible. They have clear and direct links to the jerk circle who are pushing the UAP narrative and profiteering from it.

Could be something as simple as technology designed to spoof radar. An obviously valuable ability. If you have something that can project dancing images, even better. I am offering this up a motive for the technology, and for attributing it to mysterious causes. How useful would it be in combat to present a false target?

 

[terryforsythe]

UFO observations are anecdotes, and no matter how persuasive, they aren’t science.

But, data on UFO observations can be gathered, and that data can be scientifically analyzed.

Psychology and Social Science are sciences, and rely heavily on anecdotal information.

Even the science of Audio perception relies on anecdotes. Take, for instance, Dr. Floyd Toole's investigations which lead to the development of the Harman curve. He gathered anecdotal data from numerous people pertaining to their listening impressions, and derived the Harman curve from that data.

 

[terryforsythe]

Gary Nolan and Diana Pasulka are the opposite of credible.

???

https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan

 

[Chester]

???

https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan

And?

 

[terryforsythe]

I think if we imagine for a moment, that it’s not aliens and a complicit government, then these acts that some are trying to put in place would effectively reveal quite a lot to the world about the types of technology these contractors and the military have or are testing.

That is a valid hypothesis.

 

[terryforsythe]

And?

Garry Nolan's accomplishments greatly lend to his high credibility. I don't know whether you have looked at his accomplishments or watched any interviews of him, but he is a great scientist and is using his scientific knowledge, skill and ability to look into this subject.

Just because he reaches a conclusion different than your conclusion does not make him any less credible.

 

[Petrushka]

Also, there is the simple possibility that the whole thing is manufactured to entice you know who to invest megabucks in countermeasures.

 

[Chester]

Garry Nolan's accomplishments greatly lend to his high credibility. I don't know whether you have looked at his accomplishments or watched any interviews of him, but he is a great scientist and is using his scientific knowledge, skill and ability to look into this subject.

Just because he reaches a conclusion different than your conclusion does not make him any less credible.

That doesn’t stop him spouting rubbish on this topic for his own personal gain. He lost a lot of credibility with other scientists for saying completely unsubstantiated things and jumping on the no facts but lots of hype wagon.

He probably was a good scientist but he’s a better businessman.

 

[terryforsythe]

That doesn’t stop him spouting rubbish on this topic for his own personal gain.

What did he spout that is rubbish? What is his own personal gain?

 

[Chester]

What did he spout that is rubbish? What is his own personal gain?

He’s been on many YouTube channels discussing this topic, go and watch some.

 

[terryforsythe]

He’s been on many YouTube channels discussing this topic, go and watch some.

I have watched many interviews with Garry Nolan. Never once have I heard him spout rubbish, nor say anything that led me to believe he was investigating the UAP topic for personal gain.

To me, what is rubbish are accusations against somebody's reputation not supported by clear evidence. Merely telling me to go watch some videos is not clear evidence.

 

[Chester]

You do not have to agree with me of course. Relax.

 

[Petrushka]

This is angels on pinheads. Counting things that are imagined.

I am biased against aliens because I am biased against FTL.

I am biased against FTL because even the most optimistic theories about how it could happen would leave observable scars on spacetime.

I am not disturbed or inconvenienced by not knowing. And I would rather believe a Harvard professor is wrong than believe little green men fall from the sky.

 

[WillBrink]

Good short biography of Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who lead "Project Blue Book" and went from skeptic to believer:

 

[terryforsythe]

I am biased against FTL because even the most optimistic theories about how it could happen would leave observable scars on spacetime.

I agree with that statement. With our present understanding of physics, just to reach the speed of light would take an infinite amount of energy. Even getting close to the speed of light is not a realistic expectation based on our current understanding of physics.

But, scientific progress continues. By way of example, in the 19th century there probably was little expectation of the advancements in physics made in the 20th century. Quantum mechanics and the Theory of Relativity would have sounded like pure fantasy. It wasn't until the last decade that the Higgs Boson was discovered.

Because there is much we cannot adequately explain (e.g., dark matter and dark energy (if they truly exist), quantum entanglement, collapse of the wave function, the true nature of gravity, how to achieve agreement between quantum mechanics and the Theory of Relativity, etc.), I keep an open mind. I do not believe that NHI is a real phenomenon, nor do I believe that it is not. I keep abreast of developments in the investigation and will make my own decision if/when convincing evidence comes to light.

 

[WillBrink]

I agree with that statement. With our present understanding of physics, just to reach the speed of light would take an infinite amount of energy. Even getting close to the speed of light is not a realistic expectation based on our current understanding of physics.

But, scientific progress continues. By way of example, in the 19th century there probably was little expectation of the advancements in physics made in the 20th century. Quantum mechanics and the Theory of Relativity would have sounded like pure fantasy. It wasn't until the last decade that the Higgs Boson was discovered.

Because there is much we cannot adequately explain (e.g., dark matter and dark energy (if they truly exist), quantum entanglement, collapse of the wave function, the true nature of gravity, how to achieve agreement between quantum mechanics and the Theory of Relativity, etc.), I keep an open mind. I do not believe that NHI is a real phenomenon, nor do I believe that it is not. I keep abreast of developments in the investigation and will make my own decision if/when convincing evidence comes to light.

On FTL, and other topics tangential to this topic, via Matthew Szydagis, Associate Professor of Physics at the University at Albany:

0:00 Introductions
3:11 Does interstellar travel require new paradigms?
12:14 Lack of UAP Data for Science
15:11 Taboo & Stigma of UAP
18:05 Journey into UFO topic
22:04 Dialectic between belief & skepticism
26:46 Dark Matter, Dark Energy, & Metamaterials
34:54 UAP metamaterial waveguides
37:17 JBIS & peer review limitations
41:34 Frontier science & scientific progress
45:21 Experimental vs theoretical physicist
48:51 Quantum physics vs General Relativity
50:44 Alcubierre Warp Drives
58:59 Zero-Point Energy
1:01:59 Spacetime Metric Engineering
1:11:52 UAP propulsion predictions
1:16:17 ETH paradigm shift implications
1:20:59 Critical mass of anomalous data

 

[AudiOhm]

Also, there is the simple possibility that the whole thing is manufactured to entice you know who to invest megabucks in countermeasures.

$20,000 hammer, $30,000 Toilet Seat

Ohms

 

[GaryH]

Steven Greenstreet has his own narrative he is pushing.

Uh huh. You do know he was also once a want-to-believer before he did a little digging and realised it's a load of bullshit being peddled by a small group of influential crackpots?

The same conclusion arrived at by physicist Sean Kirkpatrick's investigation:

Here's What I Learned as the U.S. Government's UFO Hunter

A forthcoming investigational report from an office of the Pentagon has found no evidence of aliens, only allegations circulated repeatedly by UFO claim advocates

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[terryforsythe]

Uh huh. You do know he was also once a want-to-believer before he did a little digging and realised it's a load of bullshit being peddled by a small group of influential crackpots?

The same conclusion arrived at by physicist Sean Kirkpatrick's investigation:

Here's What I Learned as the U.S. Government's UFO Hunter

A forthcoming investigational report from an office of the Pentagon has found no evidence of aliens, only allegations circulated repeatedly by UFO claim advocates

www.scientificamerican.com

There are believers and disbelievers. I listen to what they say and evaluate it.

Sean Kirkpatrick has been proven to have publicly provided false information. E.g., he claimed to have not met Brandon Fugal. Then, Brandon Fugal released a photograph of a meeting in DC he was invited to lead, and staring right at the camera was Sean Kirkpatrick. Considering that not long after Sean Kirkpatrick was tasked to lead AARO, it is difficult for me to believe he just forgot... Moreover, Kirkpatrick's reports conveniently completely ignored some of the most compelling evidence that supposedly exists, e.g., radar tapes from the U.S.S. Princeton that supposedly show the UAPs in the U.S.S. Nimitz encounters.

For every video of a skeptic that is posted, someone else can post a video of someone who claims to know the phenomena is real. The number of videos on either side of the subject are countless. It is interesting to learn the different perspectives, but at this point to faithfully believe one side or the other just shows one's own biases.