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[WillBrink]

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Mysterious Drones Swarmed Langley AFB For Weeks

The unidentified drones were such an issue that assets were called in from around the government, including a NASA WB-57 high-altitude jet.

www.twz.com

That is a strange event to be sure. Why didn't the military send jets as we would? Unless it was their military causing it? Shutting down your civilian airports for days and putting people at risk does not seem like a rational idea with any military value.

 

[terryforsythe]

That is a strange event to be sure. Why didn't the military send jets as we would? Unless it was their military causing it? Shutting down your civilian airports for days and putting people at risk does not seem like a rational idea with any military value.

I think the video is very interesting. But, I didn't see any flight characteristics beyond our understanding of physics. One thing discussed in the video is that the drones were staying aloft much longer than what is expected of commercial drones. But, it is possible that the drones are using newer batteries with high energy density. Battery technology is rapidly evolving.

I'm not sure what is the context behind the event. I do wonder, though, whether China was responsible for the incursions into the air space around our military installations, including Langley AFB. If so, it is possible that the recent incursions around the airport in China, which is used both for commercial and military flights, were retribution. Or, it could be some unknown actor(s) that are just messing with both our countries, perhaps as some kind of protest. Who knows? These are bizarre incidents.

 

[voodooless]

Thus, your second form of incredulity does not support your misinterpretation of what I wrote.

I literally said that:

So your premise doesn’t strictly flow these two, but it continues:

And then showed that it about more than those 2 points. Maybe it's your reading comprehension that needs some help?

It’s really irrelevant to the discussion that you accept that quantum physics is real.

I did state that they "seem outlandish", but "seem" means to appear or give an impression; it does not mean an actual state of being

Yes, just like “incredulous” "incredulity" is a feeling, as I showed. It’s not about how you really think about the subject. But it's that feeling that you use to conclude that you need to keep an open mind:

This universe is strange, and there are many things that we humans cannot wrap our heads around. That is why I keep an open mind.

Even if you think this particular phrasing doesn't correctly fit the literal definition of "incredulous" "incredulity", the rest of the post certainly does. Regardless, it's fallacious reasoning.

 

[terryforsythe]

Yes, just like “incredulous” is a feeling, as I showed. It’s not about how you really think about the subject. But it's that feeling that you use to conclude that you need to keep an open mind:

Even if you think this particular phrasing doesn't correctly fit the literal definition of "incredulous", the rest of the post certainly does. Regardless, it's fallacious reasoning.

Incorrect on both counts.

Merriam-Webster defines the term "incredulous" to mean "unwilling to admit or accept what is offered as true". Cambridge dictionary defines the term as "not wanting or not able to believe something, and usually showing this".

I never stated or implied that I was "unwilling to admit or accept what is offered as true", nor that I was "not wanting or not able to believe something". Instead, I stated that I keep an "open mind", which is opposite of incredulous. Indeed, the term "open mind" means "to wait until you know all the facts before forming an opinion or making a judgment".

Moreover, I used the term "mind blowing" when I discussed quantum mechanics. "Mind blowing" means "mentally or emotionally exciting or overwhelming"; it does not mean "incredulous" (see above definitions).

 

[voodooless]

Cambridge dictionary defines the term as "not wanting or not able to believe something, and usually showing this".

Except that incredulity is a feeling, from the same dictionary:

the feeling of not wanting or not being able to believe something

And you use that feeling to make an argument. So, I corrected my post above to use incredulity, not incredulous. Attribute that to English not being my first language if you like.

I never stated or implied that I was "unwilling to admit or accept what is offered as true", nor that I was "not wanting or not able to believe something".

I never stated otherwise.

the term "open mind" means "to wait until you know all the facts before forming an opinion or making a judgment".

Well, formally, yes. But in the days of the internet and rampant misinformation, it just means to accept any nonsense that you come across Not that I would accuse you of this, though! In any case, I never had any issues with "keeping an open mind", specifically the formal definition. I think it's a good conclusion. I have an issue with how you got to that conclusion in the first place.

 

[terryforsythe]

Maybe it's your reading comprehension that needs some help?

No, I read what you wrote. I addressed those forms of incredulous to clarify how different what I wrote was from something that is incredulous.

Except that incredulity is a feeling, from the same dictionary:

the feeling of not wanting or not being able to believe something

And you use that feeling to make an argument.

I did not use "the feeling of not wanting or not being able to believe something" to make an argument. Instead, I explained specific examples of quantum mechanics which I truly believe, I want to believe, and which I find very mentally exciting (i.e., mind blowing).

Well, formally, yes. But in the days of the internet and rampant misinformation, it just means to accept any nonsense that you come across Not that I would accuse you of this, though!

I don't accept nonsense. I critically think about what is proffered before making judgement. As I have repeatedly stated in this thread, I have not seen any physical evidence that convinces me that NHI controlled craft are real. I have, however, seen very significant actions related to the topics of NHI and UAP taken by very powerful people in a certain body, and I have heard compelling testimony from people with high, very high and extremely high credentials. Until I see how it plays out, I reserve judgement on the issue, which means keeping an open mind.

 

[terryforsythe]

I think it's a good conclusion. I have an issue with how you got to that conclusion in the first place.

That's fine. I have enjoyed the debate.

 

[voodooless]

I did not use "the feeling of not wanting or not being able to believe something" to make an argument. Instead, I explained specific examples of quantum mechanics which I truly believe, I want to believe, and which I find very mentally exciting (i.e., mind blowing).

That's a matter of interpretation, of course. The way I read it, it is incredulity, and even ChatGPT agrees:

The phrase “To me, this is mind blowing” expresses a sense of awe and disbelief at the phenomenon of quantum entanglement and the instantaneous collapse of wave functions. This disbelief ties in with the concept of incredulity—you’re marveling at how something so counterintuitive or seemingly impossible can occur.

The way you’ve described the paradox of quantum mechanics—especially in contrast to the limits set by the Theory of Relativity—reinforces this incredulity. You’re highlighting a conflict between two fundamental ideas, which naturally leads to a sense of wonder and skepticism about how it can all be true. So, the passage definitely conveys incredulity.

Again, none of this means that you don't accept the reality. You are entitled to this amazement! In fact, I'm just as amazed

 

[rank]

What is questionable in ufology -similar to any problem of society- is the value that can be given to any information filtered or even deconstructed by administration.
Who obviously have no interest in the truth.
Very quickly an army of psychiatrists, psychologists, specialized doctors or not will intervene.
So suspicion of disease (YOU're sick). While they are unable to delay or even prevent aging or to cure diseases identified for centuries...

 

[terryforsythe]

That's a matter of interpretation, of course. The way I read it, it is incredulity, and even ChatGPT agrees:

Again, none of this means that you don't accept the reality. You are entitled to this amazement! In fact, I'm just as amazed

If and when we discover the root cause of those quantum effects, in particular, a new realm of possibilities may be opened. Will it have as much impact as the discovery of electricity? I suspect that it will. Even if not, it certainly will be interesting.

 

[DLS79]

If and when we discover the root cause of those quantum effects, in particular, a new realm of possibilities may be opened. Will it have as much impact as the discovery of electricity? I suspect that it will. Even if not, it certainly will be interesting.

As someone who has an actual degree in physics, I have to say that imo that is 50/50 at best. Again imo, I don't think we have had a significant (to the world as a whole) breakthrough since the discovery of fission, and the knock on effects that had on several fields of study!

 

[terryforsythe]

As someone who has an actual degree in physics, I have to say that imo that is 50/50 at best. Again imo, I don't think we have had a significant (to the world as a whole) breakthrough since the discovery of fission, and the knock on effects that had on several fields of study!

Are you aware of any hypotheses that you believe are strong candidates for describing the root cause(s)?

 

[voodooless]

It can also be that the discovery of quantum gravity (or similar theory) will herald a new age of practical applications without us ever knowing how these quantum mechanisms fundamentally work. We don't have to know how a model works as long as the model is good enough to be practical.

 

[Blumlein 88]

It can also be that the discovery of quantum gravity (or similar theory) will herald a new age of practical applications without us ever knowing how these quantum mechanisms fundamentally work. We don't have to know how a model works as long as the model is good enough to be practical.

Yes, an often over-looked aspect of things. Neils Bohr told people in regard to quantum mechanics, "shut up and calculate".

 

[DLS79]

Are you aware of any hypotheses that you believe are strong candidates for describing the root cause(s)?

I'm not currently aware of anything that I think is going to change the life of the average human. Fusion reactors are imo one of the few things that's could change the life of the average human, but that's been a money problem for a long time, not a knowledge problem!

 

[mhardy6647]

I'm not currently aware of anything that I think is going to change the life of the average human. Fusion reactors are imo one of the few things that's could change the life of the average human, but that's been a money problem for a long time, not a knowledge problem!

Fission explosives still could, too.

 

[Petrushka]

I'm not currently aware of anything that I think is going to change the life of the average human. Fusion reactors are imo one of the few things that's could change the life of the average human, but that's been a money problem for a long time, not a knowledge problem!

Small matter of engineering.

 

[DLS79]

Small matter of engineering.

We usually overcome all those when money isn't a concern.

 

[Petrushka]

We usually overcome all those when money isn't a concern.

Money always rules. There is no point to fusion unless the price per kWh is lower. Including development, operation and maintenance.

 

[Blumlein 88]

I'm not currently aware of anything that I think is going to change the life of the average human. Fusion reactors are imo one of the few things that's could change the life of the average human, but that's been a money problem for a long time, not a knowledge problem!

I'm sort of going to poke fun at you, but surely you realize the things that make for big changes often are not at all anticipated. Some are, some build over time, while others just up and surprise everyone.

An example of one of those that could though seeming not likely now. There are those theories that human consciousness is a result of quantum effects. Now I think it is a long shot, but if it is so, and a few discoveries are made (which would probably be unforeseen) it isn't too far beyond imagining we could create genuine artificially created, but real intelligence. Not AI, but man made I.

I think there is something fundamental about quantum mechanics we are totally missing. If we trip over it, or figure it out there is a good chance that would be transformative beyond imagining. It might happen next year, it might happen next century, it might never happen.

If you don't know, the Ptolemaic system of the earth centered universe held sway for a long time after the Copernican system with a sun centered theory. The latter was fundamentally correct, but former was actually more accurate in forecasting celestial events. When Kepler understood his laws regarding elliptical orbits everything fell into place. A fundamental thing about how it worked was understood and not only did Copernican forecasting of the movements of the heavens become far more accurate than the old system it was a step toward knowing much more. I think some day something like that will become clear to scientists about quantum mechanics. We'll not just know how to calculate something useful, we'll really know how it works.