All About UFO's

[Mart68]

The first supernovae started happening 100My after the big bang, but even if you assume we need iodine for any life at all (heaviest element used by life on earth) the process of its formation started ~10By ago, so the clock could have started well before earth formed ~4By ago. I mean even a short one billion year head start seems potentially meaningful...

I've heard a hypothesis that life could have formed in the interstellar medium itself when the universe was much warmer and denser, but I'm not sure if that's really credible or not. But my general point is life on earth seems to have formed well after the minimum time needed.

Agree. Also we took an inordinate amount of time to figure out that the trick is to bang the rocks together. Another civilisation could be 100,000 years ahead of us just on that alone.

 

[kemmler3D]

Agree. Also we took an inordinate amount of time to figure out that the trick is to bang the rocks together. Another civilisation could be 100,000 years ahead of us just on that alone.

Yes, and assuming technological civilization doesn't destroy itself (anyone want to lay odds on that?) I feel like 100,000 years from our current state of knowledge should be enough to invent FTL if it's physically possible. Like if we can't go from Einstein to Star Trek in that amount of time I don't think it's happening.

Which really just brings us back to the Fermi paradox, but I think the answer to that is just that if such technology and technological beings exist, we just lack the tech to notice or be noticed by them. If there is such a thing as FTL travel or communication, you'd presumably need it to say hello or hear anyone doing the same.

We're basically sitting alone in a hut in the wilderness wondering why nobody has called or written a letter, while lacking both phone and mailbox...

 

[Mart68]

Yes, and assuming technological civilization doesn't destroy itself (anyone want to lay odds on that?) I feel like 100,000 years from our current state of knowledge should be enough to invent FTL if it's physically possible. Like if we can't go from Einstein to Star Trek in that amount of time I don't think it's happening.

Which really just brings us back to the Fermi paradox, but I think the answer to that is just that if such technology and technological beings exist, we just lack the tech to notice or be noticed by them. If there is such a thing as FTL travel or communication, you'd presumably need it to say hello or hear anyone doing the same.

We're basically sitting alone in a hut in the wilderness wondering why nobody has called or written a letter, while lacking both phone and mailbox...

There's also the 'Prime Directive' theory - that the advanced civilisations keep us isolated deliberately.

 

[kemmler3D]

There's also the 'Prime Directive' theory - that the advanced civilisations keep us isolated deliberately.

Neighbour to the dark forest theory...

 

[mhardy6647]

Neighbour to the dark forest theory...

Does the Prime Directive predate Star Trek?
If not... or if the original source was, e.g., Clarke or Asimov or Heinlein or suchlike -- it speaks volumes as to the state of UFO philosophy, it seems to me.

 

[Mart68]

Does the Prime Directive predate Star Trek?

It would seem not. I notice that Wikipedia speculates that it was inspired by the Vietnam War.

But if we could come up with the concept, so can they.

 

[sam_adams]

There’s one minute missing in the video.

The tape was rewinding . . .

 

[sam_adams]

because there is visual evidence of UFO stuff.

Proof positive.

 

[WillBrink]

The closest I have seen to anything exhibiting any of the five observables is the 2004 Nimitz FLIR video. But, I don't know what all of the data presented on the screen to the navigator means. Mick West claims in his analysis that the object in the video was not performing outside of what a plane can do. Others disagree. I don't know who is correct. But, the question there is why would the Navy not know it was a plane based on radar and TCAS data? And, if it was one of theirs, they certainly should have known that.

I haven't see any of the observables in any other videos I have seen. I have heard it stated that the Jellyfish object came out of the water, but I have never seen any video or other compelling evidence showing that to be the case. I think it is just made up BS, but that is speculation on my part.

The Mosul orb also looks to me to be a balloon. One company makes large silver beachballs up to 48" diameter. Fill one of those up with helium and let it go, and it seems to me it will look like what we see in the video. I can envision somebody attaching a camera to something similar and using it for low cost surveillance. I saw one person claim that it exhited two of the five observables, but I don't see it in the video. I think that is more wishful thinking.

I'm including the eyewitness accounts by people who clearly know the differences, such as the pilots of those F-18s, the radar operator of the ship (even more compelling than the pilots account I thought), and so forth, and the total context there of. I think those who were involved in the Rendlesham Forest incident, highly trained people, were telling the truth as they experienced it, and so forth. I buddy of mine was an SF soldier during Iraq 1. He said he and his team had a large dead silent triangle pass slowly over them while operating deep in the desert. I have no doubts at all he and his team know what a helicopter looks like and sounds like. So, per usual, they're either lying, delusional, crazy, or correct. Personally, I have little faith in West, his debunks often debunked, and on we it goes! You seen that one? West vs Mr Day, I'm going with Day, who corroborates 4 of the best pilots (e.g. Fravor and co) that exist in the US arsenal that interacted with the objects:

 

[Jim Creek]

I'm including the eyewitness accounts by people who clearly know the differences, such as the pilots of those F-18s, the radar operator of the ship (even more compelling than the pilots account I thought), and so forth, and the total context there of. I think those who were involved in the Rendlesham Forest incident, highly trained people, were telling the truth as they experienced it, and so forth. I buddy of mine was an SF soldier during Iraq 1. He said he and his team had a large dead silent triangle pass slowly over them while operating deep in the desert. I have no doubts at all he and his team know what a helicopter looks like and sounds like. So, per usual, they're either lying, delusional, crazy, or correct. Personally, I have little faith in West, his debunks often debunked, and on we it goes! You seen that one? West vs Mr Day, I'm going with Day, who corroborates 4 of the best pilots (e.g. Fravor and co) that exist in the US arsenal that interacted with the objects:

The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAiQ8GQiWjjargQjf4qOiwEismGjJMQlSEr2JhbYh_d_n6wIuEmwIB2e-Nwd904%3D&gaa_ts=68718df2&gaa_sig=BZhHzI-vmYnVvo1W9vxhP9Bt088XbzQ5FCvCnBzmiwP-7e4m9BXd0mhyvffPsWn2vqHm4wpbAkaXtelFt6IwTw%3D%3D

 

[Audiofire]

That link is in the thread about a month ago (back when it was published).

 

[terryforsythe]

The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAiQ8GQiWjjargQjf4qOiwEismGjJMQlSEr2JhbYh_d_n6wIuEmwIB2e-Nwd904%3D&gaa_ts=68718df2&gaa_sig=BZhHzI-vmYnVvo1W9vxhP9Bt088XbzQ5FCvCnBzmiwP-7e4m9BXd0mhyvffPsWn2vqHm4wpbAkaXtelFt6IwTw%3D%3D

That article has been discussed. Originally I found some of what it discussed to be compelling, and stated such. More information has come out since about the article. I now just classify it as more junk we are being inundated with from both sides of the issue.

 

[RayDunzl]

Well, didn't get many responses to my "Have you seen one?" query.

I wonder what other relatively contemporary generic objects would defy having been seen by members.

 

[Taiga]

I’ve seen countless things moving or standing still in the sky that I couldn’t identify. That says something about me, but little about what I was actually observing.

Not sure why fighter pilots or stressed out soldiers in the middle of a war in a foreign land are necessarily likely to have a more accurate interpretation of fleeting phenomena that border on disbelief than any other person who is suddenly thrust from their comfort zone of everyday reality. Did you see Buzz Aldrin when he was on Dancing With the Stars?

 

[terryforsythe]

Well, didn't get many responses to my "Have you seen one?" query.

No. Everything I have seen I have been able to identify, though sometimes it takes a few moments to figure out exactly what it is. The one that took the longest to figure out was a plane for which I must have been directly in line with its descent vector. All I saw was a light in the sky that did not appear to be moving at all from my perspective, that is until it banked for its final leg into the airport. I was seeing the landing lights but, for some reason, I did not see the navigation lights until it banked. It was around dusk, which may have had something to do with it.

 

[Sal1950]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/crashed-...-foot-creatures-in-his-backyard-100-not-human

This thread is for anything pertaining to UFO's. It can be news articles like above, speculation or even satire.

 

[WillBrink]

The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs

Old news here. I even mentioned it in the post you responded to.

 

[Axo1989]

I'm including the eyewitness accounts by people who clearly know the differences, such as the pilots of those F-18s, the radar operator of the ship (even more compelling than the pilots account I thought), and so forth, and the total context there of. I think those who were involved in the Rendlesham Forest incident, highly trained people, were telling the truth as they experienced it, and so forth. I buddy of mine was an SF soldier during Iraq 1. He said he and his team had a large dead silent triangle pass slowly over them while operating deep in the desert. I have no doubts at all he and his team know what a helicopter looks like and sounds like. So, per usual, they're either lying, delusional, crazy, or correct. Personally, I have little faith in West, his debunks often debunked, and on we it goes! You seen that one? West vs Mr Day, I'm going with Day, who corroborates 4 of the best pilots (e.g. Fravor and co) that exist in the US arsenal that interacted with the objects:

Lots of head-bobbing from senior chief, which suggests avuncular confabulation. At least he's wearing Hilfiger.

 

[Audiofire]

avuncular confabulation

Funny remarks, wordsmith

 

[Audiofire]

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson interviews Stanford professor and prolific biotech entrepreneur Dr. Garry Nolan, covering the cutting-edge of cancer research and atomic-level imaging as well as his work with the U.S. government on anomalous health effects linked to unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs). Nolan explains how his scientific curiosity—and integrity—led him from debunking the infamous Atacama “alien” mummy to analyzing bizarre materials and biological effects tied to UAP encounters. Artificial intelligence, intuition, consciousness, and the blurry line between science fiction and scientific frontier, culminate in Nolan’s provisional belief: “something non-human has been here a long time.”