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All About UFO's

I fully agree. You are preaching to the choir.

What is changing, though, is how this issue is being dealt with at very high levels, especially in 2023 and this year, the sheer number of people with high credentials talking about the subject, and what those people are saying.

The other thing that has changed in recent years is how easy it is to monetise such credentials, through appearances, books etc. I don’t really blame any of them looking to fatten up their pensions.
 
The other thing that has changed in recent years is how easy it is to monetise such credentials, through appearances, books etc.
That always has been the case. Col. Corso released the book "Day After Roswell." He admitted that it was fiction, but claimed that it was based on real events. Toward the end of his life he expressed regret that he didn't keep it fully non-fiction, stating that the people have the right to know.
 
I don’t really blame any of them looking to fatten up their pensions.
Although I'm sure Elizondo is doing OK now with is new book, he and his family went through rough financial times after he left the Pentagon. If he were just looking to make money on the subject, I think he would have written the book much sooner after leaving.
 
We all can speculate about the motives of various people, but it is just that, mere speculation.
Motive is just one element. I’ve listed a number of innocent sources of misidentification.

Something confirmed by research is false memory. In marriage, it takes two people, at least, to remember past events correctly.

I catch my wife with false memories, and she catches me. Sometimes we agree, and sometimes not. I’ve had a few vivid memories of 50 year old events which, when looked at carefully, are impossible.

Confabulation, in the presence of something unexpected and unexplainable, is common. It’s not necessary to have a brain disorder. It shows up all the time in courtrooms. Eyewitness accounts are the least trusted form of evidence.
 
Something confirmed by research is false memory. In marriage, it takes two people, at least, to remember past events correctly.
I agree. That is why John Mack's study is interesting - many, many unrelated people with eerily similar experiences.

Also, the incidents that happened at the Ariel School in Zimbabwe (1994) and the Westall school in Australia (1966) are eerily similar.
 
I agree. That is why John Mack's study is interesting - many, many unrelated people with eerily similar experiences.

Also, the incidents that happened at the Ariel School in Zimbabwe (1994) and the Westall school in Australia (1966) are eerily similar.
 
Something I just thought about. Many people, including me, accept as fact the following:

1. Quantum entanglement
2. Observation collapses the wave function

It is virtually universally accepted by physicists that it is a fact that these phenomena occur, backed up by scientific experiments (not hidden from the public, fortunately). But, when you think about it, they seem outlandish. How can the mere observation of a particle cause its wave function to collapse, and not only that, instantaneously collapse the wave function of its entangled partner, which may be located far, far away. The Theory of Relativity tells us that information cannot move faster than the speed of light, but there is no such speed limit for the partner particle's wave function collapse in quantum entanglement - it is instantaneous, even when the particles are separated by vast distances. To me, this is mind blowing.

This universe is strange, and there are many things that we humans cannot wrap our heads around. That is why I keep an open mind. UAPs all may be mundane objects or fantasies, or perhaps some are not. I have not seen enough evidence that convinces me either way. I have, however, seen enough testimony by highly credentialed people to keep me curious.
 
Something I just thought about. Many people, including me, accept as fact the following:

1. Quantum entanglement
2. Observation collapses the wave function

It is virtually universally accepted by physicists that it is a fact that these phenomena occur, backed up by scientific experiments (not hidden from the public, fortunately). But, when you think about it, they seem outlandish. How can the mere observation of a particle cause its wave function to collapse, and not only that, instantaneously collapse the wave function of its entangled partner, which may be located far, far away. The Theory of Relativity tells us that information cannot move faster than the speed of light, but there is no such speed limit for the partner particle's wave function collapse in quantum entanglement - it is instantaneous, even when the particles are separated by vast distances. To me, this is mind blowing.

This universe is strange, and there are many things that we humans cannot wrap our heads around. That is why I keep an open mind. UAPs all may be mundane objects or fantasies, or perhaps some are not. I have not seen enough evidence that convinces me either way. I have, however, seen enough testimony by highly credentialed people to keep me curious.
I suspect entanglement involves something we haven’t yet thought about.

The fact that you can’t transmit information via entanglement is a clue that there something going on that we haven’t understood.
 
I suspect entanglement involves something we haven’t yet thought about.
And, something we have not yet discovered.

The fact that you can’t transmit information via entanglement is a clue that there something going on that we haven’t understood.
Actually, you can't transmit information that way according to the no-communication theorem (no-signaling principle). These are very strange phenomena.
 
they seem outlandish
To me, this is mind blowing.
Arguments from incredulity. Never a good idea. Your personal emotional perception of quantum mechanics says absolutely nothing about any other undiscovered things in this massive universe. It’s really a bad reason to keep an open mind.
 
Arguments from incredulity.
Also, re-read what I wrote. I didn't present "Arguments from incredulity". Instead, I said:

Many people, including me, accept as fact the following:

Just because to me it is mind-blowing does not mean I am incredulous to it.

I understand English may not be your first language, but if you are going to make such statements, at least try to get the terminology correct.
 
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Also, re-read what I wrote. I didn't present "Arguments from incredulity". Instead, I said:



Just because to me it is mind-blowing does not mean I am incredulous to it.

I understand English may not be your first language, but if you are going to make such statements, at least try to get the terminology correct.
I am tempted to call it argument from woo.

I have several personal arguments to counter the argument that quantum weirdness allows anything to happen.

First, the phenomena associated with relativity and quantum theory were observed and well cataloged long before being regularized by equations. But the anything goes phenomena have not been observed. There is no natural FTL. Entanglement is not FTL, because no information exceeds light speed. There are no scars in the cosmos that might be interpreted as evidence of advanced civilizations poking holes in conventional reality.

Second, quantum phenomena resolve to conventional physics whenever two or three are gathered together. No consciousness required.

Third, the splendiferous bloom of theorizing has collapsed. String theory is all but dead. Not provably wrong, but simply not even wrong. Not useful.

Science fiction tropes have fallen on hard times. Even the level headed writers — Clarke and Asimov — employed devices like psi and telepathy, or non-corporeal intelligence, to advance their plots, but these look really sketchy in retrospect.
 
Entanglement is not FTL, because no information exceeds light speed.
Actually, you can't transmit information that way according to the no-communication theorem (no-signaling principle).

quantum phenomena resolve to conventional physics whenever two or three are gathered together.
Don't tell that to the physicists studying quantum plasmas.

String theory is all but dead. Not provably wrong, but simply not even wrong. Not useful.
I wasn't speaking of String Theory. Nonetheless, many physicists believe as you do.
 
A rather interesting read. Declassified document on UAP/UFO:

"Project Condign: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK Air Defence Region:"​


For those of you who expect some change in the way the military communicates to the public, I note this is 28 years old.
 
Just because to me it is mind-blowing does not mean I am incredulous to it.
That is literally what it means:
the feeling of not wanting or not being able to believe something

I understand English may not be your first language, but if you are going to make such statements, at least try to get the terminology correct.
Well yes, the argument is about:
Arguments from incredulity can take the form:
  1. I cannot imagine how F could be true; therefore F must be false.
  2. I cannot imagine how F could be false; therefore F must be true
So your premise doesn’t strictly flow these two, but it continues:
Arguments from incredulity can sometimes arise from inappropriate emotional involvement, the conflation of fantasy and reality, a lack of understanding, or an instinctive 'gut' reaction, especially where time is scarce.[2] They are also frequently used to argue that something must be supernatural in origin or even the contrary.[3] This form of reasoning is fallacious because one's inability to imagine how a statement can be true or false gives no information about whether the statement is true or false in reality.[4]
This is exactly spot on what you argued for: look at this mind blowing thing a, that we don’t fully understand. If this exists, then why not b, c and d as well? It’s also similar to a faulty generalization. It is the “keep an open mind part” that I’m objecting to. It’s fallacious and a very bad reason to keep an open mind. In fact, when you know little about something, you have to be extra critical.
 
Just because to me it is mind-blowing does not mean I am incredulous to it.
That is literally what it means:
the feeling of not wanting or not being able to believe something
Incorrect. I have not seen any dictionary definitions for the term "mind-blowing" that match your definition. The Cambridge dictionary defines the term "mind-blowing" to mean "surprising, shocking, and often difficult to understand or imagine". Merriam-Webster defines the term as "mentally or emotionally exciting or overwhelming". Both of these definitions fit the context in which I used that term in my post. The definition that you proffer, however, does not.

I stated:
Many people, including me, accept as fact the following:

1. Quantum entanglement
2. Observation collapses the wave function

... they seem outlandish... To me, this is mind blowing.
(Emphasis added).

1. The first form of incredulity that was presented is as follows: "I cannot imagine how F could be true; therefore F must be false."

Clearly, I stated that I "accept as fact" those well known aspects of quantum mechanics. It is in my very first sentence. The term "fact" means "something that has actual existence"; "an actual occurrence"; "the quality of being actual". Accordingly, I did not claim that those aspects of quantum mechanics must be false, but instead stated quite the opposite. Thus, the first provided form of incredulity does not support the allegation.

I did state that they "seem outlandish", but "seem" means to appear or give an impression; it does not mean an actual state of being. Accordingly, use of the term "seem", especially in context with my statement that I "accept as fact", does not support an argument that the aspects of quantum mechanics I discussed are asserted to be false. If I were asserting that they were false, I would not have stated that I "accept" them "as fact".

2. The second form of incredulity that was presented is as follows: "I cannot imagine how F could be false; therefore F must be true."

Yes, I did assert that those well known aspects of quantum mechanics are true (as do most quantum physicists, at least the ones I am familiar with), but nowhere did I infer that I could not imagine how they could be false. Indeed, I stated that they are "backed up by scientific experiments". Thus, the second form of incredulity does not support the allegation.

You cite a passage "Arguments from incredulity can sometimes arise from..." An argument that fits the form of an incredulous argument may arise as described. But, if an argument does not fit the form of an incredulous argument, how the argument arose does not automatically change it into being an incredulous argument.

look at this mind blowing thing a, that we don’t fully understand.
Prominent Physicist and Nobel laureate Richard Feynman stated “I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.” It is well known that we do not understand how observation collapses the wave function, nor how the collapse of the wave function of one particle collapses the wave function of another particle with which it is entangled. If you understand, please share your understanding. If it is correct, you could be in line to win a Nobel prize in physics.

This is exactly spot on what you argued for: look at this mind blowing thing a, that we don’t fully understand. If this exists, then why not b, c and d as well? It’s also similar to a faulty generalization. It is the “keep an open mind part” that I’m objecting to. It’s fallacious and a very bad reason to keep an open mind. In fact, when you know little about something, you have to be extra critical.
I stated: "This universe is strange, and there are many things that we humans cannot wrap our heads around. That is why I keep an open mind." This is not similar to a faulty generalization. "A faulty generalization is an informal fallacy wherein a conclusion is drawn about all or many instances of a phenomenon on the basis of one or a few instances of that phenomenon." I have not drawn conclusions "about all or many instances of a phenomenon". In this regard, the only conclusions I have drawn pertain to UAP phenomena which, to me, clearly look to have mundane explanations. With regard to UAP phenomena that I cannot explain, I have not drawn any conclusions other than I am curious, I don't know, and I reserve judgement until I learn more (i.e., keep an open mind). This is not fallacious whatsoever.

What is fallacious is to keep a closed mind, automatically discounting the testimony of numerous highly credentialed individuals just because what they assert is contrary to one's personal beliefs. Moreover, it is a fallacy to conclude that absence of evidence means evidence of absence.

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