Because some people are reasonable and actually read what you write, think about the other viewpoints, and engage in a decent conversation.If he is so wrong why bother. It's already obvious to everyone. Substantiation? WTF?
Because some people are reasonable and actually read what you write, think about the other viewpoints, and engage in a decent conversation.If he is so wrong why bother. It's already obvious to everyone. Substantiation? WTF?
I think we need to open a thread for our sarcastic comments that include statements and claims such as : $1k pure copper ofc power Chord attached to $8k amp = massive gains.Yeah. We should talk about something boring, like politics. [I would like to emphasize, this is sarcasm.]
How is it that a listening session is needed for some components and not others?
What I get annoyed by is mostly the shit that these companies get away with! Taking boatloads of money away from people for totally unsubstantiated and unproven so called technological advancements. Kept on their thrones by fake reviews, expectation bias and cult following. I think this is borderline criminal! The amount of Stockholm Syndrome cases is truly staggering.All I'm saying is that some of you seem to be awfully excitable.
Yup. Up to the speaker terminals/headphone drivers, measurements tell you what you need to know.Because the coloration you get from transducers is massive compared to the dirt in good line level electronics. Large enough to be audible without a doubt (or little doubt at least).
I am still scratching my head, ALLLLLL the way from page5, trying to figure out what that means.speculative opinion
Criswell Predicts?I am still scratching my head, ALLLLLL the way from page5, trying to figure out what that means.
Iz it sum lawyereze?
At least where I live, there's plenty of time for that to change. As I am finding out first hand.As hard as it is to believe, I haven’t been called an asshole yet today, so thanks for that!
Prosecution or defense?At least where I live, there's plenty of time for that to change. As I am finding out first hand.
Expert witness.Prosecution or defense?
Maybe. We can't really be sure. Absolutely, transducers exhibit higher distortion than most components relatively they have similar performance if you restrict your criteria to manufacterers who take this business seriously. Surprisingly, very many speakers no matter the price these days turn out to be quite enjoyable and seem to still be able to make a distinction between a good or bad component. At reasonable listening levels modern speakers have distortion levels around 0.3%, higher at low frequencies sure but, we don't notice it. Never have I listened to a loudspeaker or read a review where someone came right out and said it's distorted or said that about an audio component for that matter. Other measureable characteristics I can't really associate with component testng other than FR. Other tests that are related to speaker performance just tell me that they differ not that one is better than the other.Because the coloration you get from transducers is massive compared to the dirt in good line level electronics. Large enough to be audible without a doubt (or little doubt at least).
It's a streamer - it has one job, and that is to transfer an audio file from wherever it is stored (internally or on a server somewhere) to a DAC. Either it can do that competently - in which case it will "sound" exactly the same as every other competent streamer. Or it can't - in which case it is an expensive piece of junk.Do we have any measurements yet. If someone says it sounds good what's so hard to believe about that.
If it does measure well and everyone is convinced that this is the only criteria that matters the price won't make any difference 'objectively speaking'. If it measures either well or poorly and sounds like shit, it's a piece of shit.
You guys are just being single-minded ass-holes not making any valid arguments and always deliberately understating
any opinion based on the only thing that matters in this business, LISTENING to music. Leave the guy alone.
Point is, you can actually tell them apart. “Better” is a totally different question which can be answered in some cases due to very obvious flaws. In other cases, it is far less clear. Here preference and the environment may dictate “better” or “worse”.Other measureable characteristics I can't really associate with component testng other than FR. Other tests that are related to speaker performance just tell me that they differ not that one is better than the other.
Except that they don’t exist. No speaker measure similar to another of a different brand, or even model. Things like KH80 and Genelec 8030C may be very close, but there is still a clearly audible difference.Since I am speaking of relative comparisons, the speaker's imperfections are common across the board so similar measuring speakers should sound pretty much the same just like components and should be evaluated on test performance only.
Yes, those listening tests are just a fun icing on the cake of a review. In general it doesn’t really add to the whole.There is no need to listen because all you do is add a complication to this farce of objectivity above all.
It’s a conscious choice to make. You have to be aware of what subjective evaluations you can make, and which ones you cannot rely on.This argument has been going on forever. There is no way objective and subjective evaluation will ever be separated, It doesn't make any difference what anyone says or does.
I’m sure things can change. What I would welcome is doing subjective listening with some controls, so the reviewer can help us separate what they heard from what they imagined. It’s the refusal to even entertain this possibility that is the single most ridiculous and reprehensible feature of how products are sold and reviewed.This argument has been going on forever. There is no way objective and subjective evaluation will ever be separated, It doesn't make any difference what anyone says or does.
Good point, I never noticed it was only those items. How is it that a listening session is needed for some components and not others? I should read Amir's manifesto before asking the same questions of you when you've heard them hundreds of times. Just the link would help.
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It's kind of depressing, or maybe embarrassing is the word, to be associated with a hobby which is laughed at, and looked with amazement and disbelief, by practioners of other hobbies.
Good grief! The other pages are even worse. This one for instance is total gibberish! The Germans would say: KauderwelschOn the manufacturer web site, they also promote using some active ground block to have a star-topology ground plane between your gear.
Not only that but your fish will taste better!!!Good grief! The other pages are even worse. This one for instance is total gibberish! The Germans would say: Kauderwelsch