Well, when HTP-1 gets ART, I will buy it, without waiting for AV 10.Maybe due to their upgrade policy to add new features twice a year?
"patience is a virtue"
Well, when HTP-1 gets ART, I will buy it, without waiting for AV 10.Maybe due to their upgrade policy to add new features twice a year?
"patience is a virtue"
4 capable subwoofers in every corner of the room and large tower speakers? Unless the funds allow for it, I wouldn't bother with large surround/Atmos speakers just for their support capabilities.As an aside, or maybe suggest a more appropriate thread. Would it be feasible to buy/employ speakers specifically for use as support speakers for ART? Would there be any advantage I this approach?
Thanks for the flavor! Is the Roon beta you talk about openly available? Would love to give it a shot. Thanks!The ART beta testing phase is completed. ART is fully compatible with AVRs starting from X3800H and up and It's now up to Masimo to decide when to release the FW (It should be sometime this year after April). As for Roon ready certification. I was told that it is expected to be added to all D&M models including older models starting from the X3400H.
Many D&M users have complained that HEOS does not support multichannel music streaming because it is hardware-coded to 2 channels only. To compensate for this limitation. Masimo has started working with HARMAN to certify most of their AVRs as Multichannel capable Roon endpoint. Dolby Atmos music via Amazon HD is also expected to be added along the line.
If you own a Denon X?400H AVR and have the latest FW update, you should notice that Roon is now detecting it as an uncertified device which could only be enabled using a special beta Roon software. Once the certification process is completed, you'll be able to play multichannel FLAC and DSD files using Roon directly (bit-perfect) into the compatible Denon AVRs.
At some point in the future, a new version of HEOS called HEOS+ is expected to be released which will bring significant features upgrades including lossless multichannel streaming support. I'm guessing the X?900H series will come with the HEOS+ included because it requires a hardware upgrade not just FW.
I will be over the moon when this hits early access - I have a NUC I use SOLELY as an endpoint for Roon, and its HDMI output (combined with Denon 3700H) is ABYSMAL. I would KILL to have the receiver itself be a multichannel-capable endpointThanks for the flavor! Is the Roon beta you talk about openly available? Would love to give it a shot. Thanks!
Have a search for this document: multisubs_0.pdf4 capable subwoofers in every corner of the room and large tower speakers? Unless the funds allow for it, I wouldn't bother with large surround/Atmos speakers just for their support capabilities.
Have a search for this document: multisubs_0.pdf
You won't neccesarrily need large tower speakers everywhere but it would also do no harm. ;-)
I have the idea to use 7 big main speakers with 2x 12" in closed volume so you can EQ to your needs. What would be the benefit of adding a subwoofer (array) when you already have 14 12" in your setup?
Only got space for 2 as is, Monolith 15". Front right and rear left according to those diagrams. Just have to hope that the base layer and the two subs can both work as both speakers and support. Never had ART in mind when I got speakered up, the wife may have raised her eyebrows, shall we say, had I tried to smuggle an extra set of floorstanders behind the sofa....Have a search for this document: multisubs_0.pdf
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You won't neccesarrily need large tower speakers everywhere but it would also do no harm. ;-)
I have the idea to use 7 big main speakers with 2x 12" in closed volume so you can EQ to your needs. What would be the benefit of adding a subwoofer (array) when you already have 14 12" in your setup?
Just to clarify: this without the need for HEOS+? So with current line of products?Dolby Atmos music via Amazon HD is also expected to be added along the line.
Denon announced the Dolby Atmos Music on the X3800H and up on their product page. But people assumed it was a new sound decoding mode which it is not. It was temporarily taken down since it was not yet implemented just like with the Sony Spatial Audio support. The idea is to have something similar to Spotify Connect but for Amazon HD (maybe later for Tidal as well), which will allow users to play music via the official Amazon HD app and then connect directly to the Denon AVR in a similar fashion to Roon endpoint Hi-res network connection works, namely, bypassing HEOS hardware to get Dolby Atmos. It is still too early to know how exactly it will work and when it will become available by FW update. There are no plans to release a new series any time soon. The X3900H is not expected to be available before 2026. But it should have drastic hardware and software upgrades, including HEOS+ and a new and larger LCD or even OLED front panel display to replace the old FL (VFD) display.Just to clarify: this without the need for HEOS+? So with current line of products?
Thanks for the update. ART support sounds awesome!
This is good to know.The X3900H is not expected to be available before 2026.
Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. As a big fan of multichannel/spatial music, this is good news. 2026 is still far and I'm not even sure if I would prefer an OLED display. VFD has a certain je ne sais quois...Denon announced the Dolby Atmos Music on the X3800H and up on their product page. But people assumed it was a new sound decoding mode which it is not. It was temporarily taken down since it was not yet implemented just like with the Sony Spatial Audio support. The idea is to have something similar to Spotify Connect but for Amazon HD (maybe later for Tidal as well), which will allow users to play music via the official Amazon HD app and then connect directly to the Denon AVR in a similar fashion to Roon endpoint Hi-res network connection works, namely, bypassing HEOS hardware to get Dolby Atmos. It is still too early to know how exactly it will work and when it will become available by FW update. There are no plans to release a new series any time soon. The X3900H is not expected to be available before 2026. But it should have drastic hardware and software upgrades, including HEOS+ and a new and larger LCD or even OLED front panel display to replace the old FL (VFD) display.
They could but you are missing the lfe Chanel...Question about speaker requirements for Dirac ART: I have an AVR-x4800h. My system consists of 2 main L/R speakers capable of reproducing bass as well as any subwoofer, so I don't have any subs (there is also an issue that I don't have much room for any extra subs). I have a large center channel and 2 surrounds. It is possible for me to add 1 or 2 pairs of small speakers for other surrounds aspects if needed. Will this suffice for Dirac ART? (I know that DLBC is not applicable to me).
Unless you distribute it to other channels - which I believe the Denon's are capable of doing?They could but you are missing the lfe Chanel...
Yes they areUnless you distribute it to other channels - which I believe the Denon's are capable of doing?
I would add 2 ceiling speakers and a subwoofer in the rear (under/next to couch?) for the use with ATMOS and Dirac ART. You would need at least SOMETHING next to the main speakers to have a good effect for chancelling some bass frequencies.Question about speaker requirements for Dirac ART: I have an AVR-x4800h. My system consists of 2 main L/R speakers capable of reproducing bass as well as any subwoofer, so I don't have any subs (there is also an issue that I don't have much room for any extra subs). I have a large center channel and 2 surrounds. It is possible for me to add 1 or 2 pairs of small speakers for other surrounds aspects if needed. Will this suffice for Dirac ART? (I know that DLBC is not applicable to me).
I got it; that's what I was getting at. It's too bad that Dirac decided not to use main speakers as "subs" when they are able to act as subs by reproducing those frequencies adequately. I guess they thought that was just too rare to deal with.I would add 2 ceiling speakers and a subwoofer in the rear (under/next to couch?) for the use with ATMOS and Dirac ART. You would need at least SOMETHING next to the main speakers to have a good effect for chancelling some bass frequencies.