Dirac ART is now running on beta FW for Denon Xx800H AVRs!

[dlaloum]

I got it; that's what I was getting at. It's too bad that Dirac decided not to use main speakers as "subs" when they are able to act as subs by reproducing those frequencies adequately. I guess they thought that was just too rare to deal with.

Is that up to DIrac, or is that up to the decoder/mixer - which determines what should go where?

Given the mixers already decide on the directionality of decoded sound - and take 2 channel to distribute, or 5.1 to distribute to 7.1.4, etc...

I would have thought the logical place for such functionality would be in the decoder... I believe the "double bass" setting does this in the Dolby Surround decoder?

 

[IamJF]

When there are no other subs they will use the main speakers? And they use them to correct low frequencies also.

 

[dlaloum]

When there are no other subs they will use the main speakers? And they use them to correct low frequencies also.

Yes - LFE gets distributed at least to front L&R when there is no sub - that applies to all the decoders.

But on many AVR's there is no option to distribute the LFE channel to any full range speakers

 

[Harryharryharry]

Any speculation as to whether Minidsp will produce a device with DLBC and ART?

 

[sweetchaos]

Posted on Aug 05, 2023, the moderator of MiniDSP forums said:

MiniDSP can't talk about upcoming products.

 

[Harryharryharry]

Yeah I'm aware of that hence the speculation! I believe there was a hardware limitation with the previous range (2 ch dirac only?) but wonder if the multi channel diract HT lineup would be capable of DLBC / ART?

 

[jtatknox]

Posted on Aug 05, 2023, the moderator of MiniDSP forums said:

MiniDSP can't talk about upcoming products.

They can but they don't.

 

[abdo123]

@PHD Have your little birdy shared any info/updates with you recently?

 

[jtatknox]

@PHD Tweet tweet

 

[PHD]

@PHD Have your little birdy shared any info/updates with you recently?

As I said. ART support is expected to be made available during this April.

 

[gorman]

As I said. ART support is expected to be made available during this April.

Oh, wow. So this is happening?

Gonna think about adding a second subwoofer.

 

[PHD]

Oh, wow. So this is happening?

Gonna think about adding a second subwoofer.

100% happening during 2024. 95% by the end of this April (double-checked).

 

[tdx]

100% happening during 2024. 95% by the end of this April (double-checked).

there has been some chatter that while the 3800 and 4800 will get ART along with the 6800, they will only get a pared down version and only the 6800 and up will get the full fat ART. This rumor seems fishy to me, any chance it can be checked?

Thanks

 

[PHD]

there has been some chatter that while the 3800 and 4800 will get ART along with the 6800, they will only get a pared down version and only the 6800 and up will get the full fat ART. This rumor seems fishy to me, any chance it can be checked?

Thanks

I don't know if that is possible because the pricing for ART licenses is going to be similar for all D&M products. I do know that starting from the X3800H and up, the DSP chips are fully capable of handling ART at 48kHz processing. It's too bad that even the A1H is limited to 48kHz processing when Dirac or Auddyssey are used. They didn't even increase the 20ft speaker-to-speaker distance correction limit which may lead to an error if one speaker is at 5ft away from the MLP and another is 26ft away from the MLP. Neither Dirac nor Auddyssey could compensate for such a scenario.

I can try and ask the insider next time I see him (he refuses to discuss such topics over digital media, which is understandable...)

 

[tdx]

I don't know if that is possible because the pricing for ART licenses is going to be similar for all D&M products. I do know that starting from the X3800H and up, the DSP chips are fully capable of handling ART at 48kHz processing. It's too bad that even the A1H is limited to 48kHz processing when Dirac or Auddyssey are used. They didn't even increase the 20ft speaker-to-speaker distance correction limit which may lead to an error if one speaker is at 5ft away from the MLP and another is 26ft away from the MLP. Neither Dirac nor Auddyssey could compensate for such a scenario.

I can try and ask the insider next time I see him (he refuses to discuss such topics over digital media, which is understandable...)

Appreciate it thanks

 

[pogo]

I do know that starting from the X3800H and up, the DSP chips are fully capable of handling ART at 48kHz processing. It's too bad that even the A1H is limited to 48kHz processing when Dirac or Auddyssey are used.

That would be an absolute NOGO for me

 

[Dj7675]

starting from the X3800H and up, the DSP chips are fully capable of handling ART at 48kHz processing

What I don’t think will be known is the number of filters they will be capable of. It could be possible that there is a restriction on the number of filters and/or support speakers used depending on the model. So it is possible there could be some limitations based on the capabilities of a particular model.

 

[slaweks]

I don't know if that is possible because the pricing for ART licenses is going to be similar for all D&M products. I do know that starting from the X3800H and up, the DSP chips are fully capable of handling ART at 48kHz processing. It's too bad that even the A1H is limited to 48kHz processing when Dirac or Auddyssey are used. They didn't even increase the 20ft speaker-to-speaker distance correction limit which may lead to an error if one speaker is at 5ft away from the MLP and another is 26ft away from the MLP. Neither Dirac nor Auddyssey could compensate for such a scenario.

I can try and ask the insider next time I see him (he refuses to discuss such topics over digital media, which is understandable...)

Hi, I am told that the 20ft limit is no longer there, see https://support-uk.denon.com/app/an...latest-heos-app-and-firmware-update-available, update U30.1

 

[patoulol]

Reliable information from a member of team Denon UK

DIRAC ART available in April on 6800 for +299 dollars (to be added to the full Dirac (MB) )

The question was not asked for 3800 and 4800

 

[Exalix]

Cinema 50(3800), 40(4800) and AV 10 uses the same DSP config. Wouldn't make sense if AV 10 would come with a restricted or limited version of ART over the Cinema 30 (6800).