The 3600 does not have HDMI 2.1, just 2.0, same as the 4500. Only the 2020 models come with HDMI 2.1
The 3600 does support eARC and Auto Low Latency Mode, though, so it does go beyond 2.0, just not all the way to 2.1.
The 3600 does not have HDMI 2.1, just 2.0, same as the 4500. Only the 2020 models come with HDMI 2.1
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I don't have an LFE 'cause I don't have a sub. My main speakers are more than up to the challenge of bass. Also, the LFE isn't for 2ch stereo music is it?
Tried the Harmony remote. While it is cool, it seems easier for the wife to use buttons, even if it means more than one remote.
Is there any difference at all between the HDMI CEC and eARC functions and stability between the Denon 2018,2019, and 2020 models?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...om-measurement-tutorial-for-dummies-part-1.4/
Careful it can be a difficult frustrating road...but WELL worth it I can attest to that.
Along these lines, if you do use an external streamer, it would be interesting to see if it sounds better as a transport or source (digital output versus analog). Seems the top rated streamers at the moment are Audiolab, Bluesound and Cambridge. I dig the Cambridge (Node 2 annoyed me that there wasn't a screen, I don't know why, but it did). However unless you run these things analog out, I'm not sure the Cambridge is worth 2X the Node 2i.Yes, right.
Okay just to make sure, graphic view of LFE + Bass Managed/Crossed Speakers = Bass Management (SUB out):
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...dsp-shd-dac-dsp-and-streamer.4286/post-385127
Just forget about specs for a moment (as it looks like you have decent speakers and electronics already, throwing more money at it won't help). The ROOM (and setup in it) control EVERYTHING below about 200-300Hz. And EQ can't make up for extremely poor rooms or room setup. Measure, fix obvious issues, then apply EQ as dessert (peaks only, no filling in dips allowed).Let me take a look. I've been interested in room EQ for a long time. You can't belive how frustrated I got many, many moons ago trying to use a 30 band per channel Soundcraftsman EQ, their test record (LP), and a Radio Shack sound level meter, using a handwritten chart. Spent many, many hours...ultimately gave up, realizing that the current technology wouldn't allow what I was trying to do.
1. You want two subwoofers minimum before upgrading to a new receiver IMO
2. Even if your two front main speakers can handle bass cleanly to say 25Hz (-3dB).
3. For stereo music listening you can engage the bass management (with say two subs) and engage Audyssey MultEQ XT32. That's how I used to do it and I prefered it than without the subs and Audyssey. Even with my mains capable to 30Hz flat (0dB). ...Minus 6dB @ 24Hz.
4. I prefer programming my remote with various actions to turn everything on and off than CEC. It takes longer @ the beginning to program and refine but after that it's all set perfect. CEC is often problematic between different audio/video brands.
5. eARC is best asking Amir or another expert using it and with which Denon model.
* An Harmony (or Universal) programmable remote control is an essential component of a full movie/music multichannel system setup. Once the programming is done using a PC or Mac or laptop, only one press of one button under Activities will do for your wife everything in super simplicity of easy living. Even the baby will be amazed. And to turn everything off, also only one button press (top left).
But it's an art requiring some patience and refinement in order to master the device exactly the way you want, like the perfect loyal obedient servant (riding on a camel in the Sahara dunes).
Just forget about specs for a moment (as it looks like you have decent speakers and electronics already, throwing more money at it won't help). The ROOM (and setup in it) control EVERYTHING below about 200-300Hz. And EQ can't make up for extremely poor rooms or room setup. Measure, fix obvious issues, then apply EQ as dessert (peaks only, no dipping allowed).
Not North Sky, but I think we are saying the same thing. Again, room MODES (not reflections at bass frequencies, as these are much longer than the room anyway). Multisubs address room mode issues (two properly placed subs have most impact, up to 3-4 are dessert, after that gains decrease rapidly).Your reason for suggesting 2 subs even if the main speakers can handle the bass is because you can place the subs in the right areas to reduce room reflections and such?
Not North Sky, but I think we are saying the same thing. Again, room MODES (not reflections at bass frequencies, as these are much longer than the room anyway). Multisubs address room mode issues (two properly placed subs have most impact, up to 3-4 are dessert, after that gains decrease rapidly).
Anyways time to open another thread elsewhere if needed, have to come back to Denon/4700 related stuff here me thinks.
It seems Sonos also has been incorporating better DACs for a while now and has said that if you upgrade to S2 OS it will unlock those capabilities. The strange part is they haven’t specified what S2 supports - something better than CD quality but what?Along these lines, if you do use an external streamer, it would be interesting to see if it sounds better as a transport or source (digital output versus analog). Seems the top rated streamers at the moment are Audiolab, Bluesound and Cambridge. I dig the Cambridge (Node 2 annoyed me that there wasn't a screen, I don't know why, but it did). However unless you run these things analog out, I'm not sure the Cambridge is worth 2X the Node 2i.
Your reason for suggesting 2 subs even if the main speakers can handle the bass is because you can place the subs in the right areas to reduce room reflections and such?
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say.
The multitone graph I am looking at has frequency on x-axis and level on Y-axis. And look at the text on that graph, it says "horrible 7 bits of distortion-free range". 7bits ~= 40dB. (actually, I think 6 bits is a closer number but I guess someone was trying to be extra 'fair')
And yes, that measurement/result is quite strange and still an unexplained mistery.
OH I see which graph you're looking at now. At first glance, yes the 32-tone test looks like it's generating tons of IMD. But what doesnt add up is how the traditional IMD measurement (presumably the "2 tone") demonstrates IMD at -83dB. Yes there should be differences between the 32-tone and the 2-tone but not on the order of 43dB. This is prob why Denon responded asking about the test conditions. Also I don't see 32-tone IMD tests being published all that often outside of asr for amplifiers. I'd be curious if Denon considers this a routine measurement as part of their design process.
I'd be curious if Denon was able to reproduce the horrible multitone IMD measured here, for starters. I'd also wonder if the review sample may have been a defective unit. And I also happened to notice that the first few "tones" exceeds 0dB in the graph, which makes me wonder if clipping occurred, resulting in the high levels of IMD.
Let me take a look. I've been interested in room EQ for a long time. You can't belive how frustrated I got many, many moons ago trying to use a 30 band per channel Soundcraftsman EQ, their test record (LP), and a Radio Shack sound level meter, using a handwritten chart. Spent many, many hours...ultimately gave up, realizing that the current technology wouldn't allow what I was trying to do.
Along these lines, if you do use an external streamer, it would be interesting to see if it sounds better as a transport or source (digital output versus analog). Seems the top rated streamers at the moment are Audiolab, Bluesound and Cambridge. I dig the Cambridge (Node 2 annoyed me that there wasn't a screen, I don't know why, but it did). However unless you run these things analog out, I'm not sure the Cambridge is worth 2X the Node 2i.
Are sure Heos onboad uses the lackluster network DAC set? I guess that makes sense, just trying to confirm. Thanks.I would think that if you have a streamer that has better specs than the AK4458, and if your option is to use it with the Denon, then it is best to use the analog inputs and direct/or pure direct mode. If you want to use the sub, you can still set XO but no DSP/Audyssey.
In my opinion if you are interested in Room EQ but also want to do some manual tuning yourself then replaing your 4311 with the newer Denon or Marantz such as the AVR-X4500H or SR7013 would be a great option.
Your 4311 has XT32 but it cannot use the App. With the App, in additional the the features you likely already know, such as limiting the frequency range you want Audyssey REQ to apply, disable the 2 kHz BBC dip. On top of that, you can download Ratbuddyssey (free) and do your own manual tweaking, such as adding cuts and boost at frequency points of your choice. I can post a screen shot if you are interested. The Audyssey Editor App costs $20, but it is really powerful when used with the Ratbuddyssey UI.