Oh lolAVR = AVC + tuner
Oh lolAVR = AVC + tuner
ASR SINAD test result returns .... though based on what I have learned here, I doubt most ears/listening room combos could tell the difference between 87 and 100.Probably are just returns from the buyer's remorse thing, as opposed to repaired, hopefully.
ASR SINAD test result returns .... though based on what I have learned here, I doubt most ears/listening room combos could tell the difference between 87 and 100.
Agreed, $2000 for a 4800 refurb with Denon warranty seems like an unbeatable deal especially for those using 4 subs, they can retire their minidsp with the spahgetti junction like wires.
I can't wait to see your rew graphs. Is that an update for the app to align 4 subs yet?Exactly my thinking. I would give Audyssey a go on my four subs, and if it does not cut it put miniDSP/MSO back in place. I can't wait to start setting up my new room!
No idea on the app. I'm at least a few months out from starting on the room, have priority "new to us" house projects to do first.I can't wait to see your rew graphs. Is that an update for the app to align 4 subs yet?
Amir has my X4800H for testing, awaiting his test results. I may add to the Refurbish Inventory for Denon. Meanwhile, the A1H was released for sale.
I am hoping the new Amp section has cleaned up some of the SNR, any improvement would be helpful. Still not sure if I want to compromise with 15 year old DAC's when the performance of newer chipsets are becoming commonplace in new product availability.I bet.. The 4700 measured the same as the 3700, the 4800 vs 3800 will likely be the same too. The C50 measured by a member also showed comparabe numbers as Amir"s. Hope to be wrong..
Look forward to seeing the results of this. I'm upgrading at the end of March and currently considering paying up for an Anthem (likely 740 8k) but I could definitely use the savings if the 4800 shows decent results. I assume, however, that it will be similar to the 3800 (and maybe I'll ignore the results and save the money either way; just want to buy something that I'm not going to regret)Amir has my X4800H for testing, awaiting his test results. I may add to the Refurbish Inventory for Denon. Meanwhile, the A1H was released for sale.
I am hoping the new Amp section has cleaned up some of the SNR, any improvement would be helpful. Still not sure if I want to compromise with 15 year old DAC's when the performance of newer chipsets are becoming commonplace in new product availability.
Even the A1H has a 10 Year OLD ESS DAC chipset. Flagship, not sure if I agree for $6.5K
That's a great point, I was not aware it was so close in SINAD. I have a greater sense of reliability with the Denon build for an AVR due to their longstanding presence in the AVR market. This experience within the industry and the dovetail features of all the add-on product features by licensee applications offers me some confidence in the product. My experience with Denon has been mostly positive (with one exception of an early "Reference" CD Player Model the dropped it's Laser after warranty around 2001). We will see what Amir finds in the test. Thanks @peng, I appreciate your experience and the knowledge you share.That is true, but a) the A1H's ES9018K2M's specs are almost as good as the ES9038Pro, and 9029 Pro, only 2 dB lower in SINAD. It's SINAD spec is 10 dB higher than Yamaha's ES9026Pro.
Aside from the Anthem AVM90, I am not sure if there are other AV processor that uses a better spec DAC chip at the moment, than the AV10 and the A1H, may be Arcam's flagship, I am not sure.
It appears on Arcam's website they are using the ESS9026Pro for all of their AVR'sThat is true, but a) the A1H's ES9018K2M's specs are almost as good as the ES9038Pro, and 9029 Pro, only 2 dB lower in SINAD. It's SINAD spec is 10 dB higher than Yamaha's ES9026Pro.
Aside from the Anthem AVM90, I am not sure if there are other AV processor that uses a better spec DAC chip at the moment, than the AV10 and the A1H, may be Arcam's flagship, I am not sure.
It appears on Arcam's website they are using the ESS9026Pro for all of their AVR's
Think you are very right. In fact the only processor/preamp I know that has multichannel analog inputs is the Trinnov Altitude 32 (very expensive). None of the new AVRs have them. That's why I bought both the Denon AVR-A110 and the Marantz SR8105 very recently in slightly used, but very good condition (before they become hard to find). I wanted their 7.1 multichannel input capabilities to use with my multichannel DAC.I expect I'll still want an AVP or AVR with multichannel analog inputs, something that now appears to be restricted to the very top end of market...
So please talk me down before I replace my AVP with a multichannel preamplifier. If you succeed, I expect I'll still want an AVP or AVR with multichannel analog inputs, something that now appears to be restricted to the very top end of market...
Then go spent your money …. No one is holding you back.Your response reminds of that from the Stephen Fry character to his underling in Absolute Power, "When I said, do it again, I meant do it better..."