Play the opening of Edge of Tomorrow with and without a 15”/18” subwoofer and report back your preference.Does filling in the response below 28 Hz really account for 1.3 "points"? What kind of frequency response does "with sub" assume?
It is clever free marketing.Puzzled why fluid needs to outsource the measurements, one would have expected precision measurements and tests to be part if their development cycle.
Neumann KH310 which costs the same
In the UK, KH310's seem to be around £3100 the pair..Not anymore...
OMG again and again, a week ago some people said that Elac uses Dayton or sort of part-sex-press cheap drivers (Elac were making AMTs before it became mainstream), now that. All AMTs look pretty much the same but they are different and made by plenty of companies...
Six grand, I think they look awful and, like all these speakers with naked drivers, expensive temptation for little fingers (I was stung like this twenty years back and it still hurts ) Our house isn't 'stylish' enough for modern KEFs I'm afraid. It's more vintage 104ab's hereKef LS60 wireless day after day just looks better and better.
Six grand, I think they look awful and, like all these speakers with naked drivers, expensive temptation for little fingers (I was stung like this twenty years back and it still hurts ) Our house isn't 'stylish' enough for modern KEFs I'm afraid. It's more vintage 104ab's here
Well, that's all about perception.
In my opinion, if in these days and age you make black/gray square block loudspeaker and claim acoustic superiority - you've learned nothing. As aesthetic appeal to older audience - i can understand the urge.
In my book off-chart distortion is not a definition of "distortion well controlled." Why would anyone accepts a speaker that distorts horrendously at most bass frequencies (anything below 60Hz) at normal monitor levels? No wonder they add a mute sub switch as without it you are hearing just distortion. Do an FFT of 50Hz and see!The main weakness I find in most active monitors is lack of power/response when in deep bass and this remedies that.
Distortion is kept well under control until you go way down in frequency:
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As I said above I don't think producing off-the-chart distortion is not the way to integrate a sub to a small bookshelf speaker. Yes, that is the laws of physics at work here, but why try the impossible? This is yet another marketing driven product. No engineer would have accepted such high distortion from the part of the speaker that is meant to be its USP.Conclusions
A lot of times folks say, "just add a sub." Well that is easier said than done. Getting that integrated with the rest of the speaker is not easy and at any rate, is yet another box to manage and integrate. The Image 2 includes the sub and hence provides the deep bass response which I consider critical to good sound reproduction.
The score does not take into account distortion. (I assume you are replying to the score difference of with sub.)Fine. The only thing I would expect to be better is LF distortion (considering the two 8" drivers).
As I said above I don't think producing off-the-chart distortion is not the way to integrate a sub to a small bookshelf speaker. Yes, that is the laws of physics at work here, but why try the impossible? This is yet another marketing driven product. No engineer would have accepted such high distortion from the part of the speaker that is meant to be its USP.
No, not the score, just this (2x8" woofer)The score does not take into account distortion. (I assume you are replying to the score difference of with sub.)
Does filling in the response below 28 Hz really account for 1.3 "points"? What kind of frequency response does "with sub" assume?
May I ask a number that represents an answer to the question asked, please?Play the opening of Edge of Tomorrow with and without a 15”/18” subwoofer and report back your preference.